Where is the Outrage on the Left?

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  • Sun, Jan 10, 2021 - 12:12pm

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    TWalker5

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    Where is the Outrage on the Left?

I continue to wonder what happened to classic liberalism. I remember when the CL in ACLU actually meant something and valuing personal freedom and choice were as much a part of leftist orthodoxy as right.

But now, with widespread censorship, mandatory vaccine policies, political restrictions on physicians and pharmacists, cancel culture, etc the left appears to not only be accepting, but to be actively endorsing these policies. In my perception, only right leaning public pundits and personal acquaintances seem to object to the onslaught of Big Brother.

What happened?  How did the party of “my body, my choice” become the party of “stay home, shut up, and take our vaccine?”

I know we try not to do left/right here but I also know there are at least a few regular posters who seem to be left-leaning.  And I believe that to have a chance of truly resisting or even defeating the plans of the Elite, we’re going to need a majority of the population to unite in that effort, not just a handful of conservatives.

Is there any chance of the Left changing course?  Is there any way to catalyze that?

  • Sun, Jan 10, 2021 - 12:41pm

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Your post reminded me of an extremely insightful post that was made on Zero Hedge a few days ago, which I immediately forwarded to all of my friends. Here’s an excerpt:

“But, what’s worse, is how many people have gone full East Germany. Climate Change Fake Science, It’s OK to cancel those who disagree, Propaganda instead of news, Law enforcement that supports it all, Fake Government, combined with over 1/2 of the country that thinks this is all a GREAT idea. It’s like living in a Twilight Zone episode, but it’s real. Some people I have known my entire life are smug and happy to see these changes. Maybe it’s a predictable result of the fall of a civilization and I’m one of the sorry ones who doesn’t join mobs automatically. All I believe now is that momentum is building for a mob based society that will redefine the Constitution as needed and often. The 1776 United States is over. But, the smug mob is really only fodder for the oligarchy. The mob feeling of power compensates for life in a New Feudalism. Mob Riots are fine as long as they are misdirected toward a designated target. Meanwhile, in a couple of years tops, Covid will destroy the economy and provide cover for MMT and the Green New Deal, powered by unlimited central bank support and cheap labor. And, of course, negative interest rates …. work until you can’t or until you die, assuming you work cheaply enough to get a job. What’s still shocking is how I’m finding out how I really don’t know some people very close. The total and utter lack of inquisitiveness they share is astounding. Following what they perceive as ‘what’s expected’ combined with an unquestioned uninformed sense of the world around them provides them with core level security it seems. They are fixed points. The dystopia is here and only beginning.”

  • Sun, Jan 10, 2021 - 12:54pm

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    nyhetersverige

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    Where is the Outrage on the Left?

There is no left or right. Those who play left vs right: the elite love that. That’s the way to keep people occupied. It’s only about the establishment (elite) vs the common man.

  • Sun, Jan 10, 2021 - 03:46pm   (Reply to #3)

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    Where is the Outrage on the Left?

That’s easy to say, NY.  But not helpful.

In theory I agree with you.  But in practice such a schism does exist.  Can you name one Dem politician or one talking head from CNN or MSNBC that has publicly argued against stricter lockdowns or for HCQ or IVM, or against the Technocracy Takeover?  If you can, please do!

Personally, I have two primary groups of friends.  The guys in my cycling club are more liberal.  They are all about the official narrative. The guys I used to lift with at the gym are more conservative.  They are pissed about having to wear a mask, about lockdowns, and about censorship.  Maybe my experience is not representative of the majority.  If that’s the case, let me know how yours differs.

My intention is not to feed the left/right divide.  It is to look for potential common ground so that the “common man” has a better chance to resist the establishment/elite.  Thus far, I have found none.

 

  • Sun, Jan 10, 2021 - 05:13pm

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T,. One of the most difficult things in life is to learn that people will not always agree with you.  Every other person operates under his or her own Interests and lights.  Hey, they don’t always agree with me!  But that’s life.

When I was young, we all would go to work with colds and flus in the winter.  So from my perspective, this is the first time we have ever tried to do something about these respiratory illnesses.  Are the measures somewhat irritating, they sure are.  Has the rights of some workers and business owners been infringed on without proper compensation, darn right.

But this time the country has made a stand.  But it seems to me to be a pandemic or an ignore the pandemic like we always did issue and not left or right.  I guess you are saying , you don’t care, you don’t want to wear a stinking mask.  To me that is fine; not wanting to wear a mask does not make you a rightist.  IMO.

But that doesn’t change other people, they will still be other people and that, you might just have to get used to.

Stay well, have fun.

 

 

  • Mon, Jan 11, 2021 - 03:20am

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    how do we reach them

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I know we try not to do left/right here but I also know there are at least a few regular posters who seem to be left-leaning. And I believe that to have a chance of truly resisting or even defeating the plans of the Elite, we’re going to need a majority of the population to unite in that effort, not just a handful of conservatives.

Is there any chance of the Left changing course? Is there any way to catalyze that?

I’ve been wrestling with this question too.

The old-style liberals got that way through suffering.  First it was the Nazis, and then it was the government during the 60s, which repressed the anti-war movement by using all sorts of nasty authoritarian tricks.  This made the liberals of the time extremely suspicious of authority.  “You want to send me to Vietnam – why, exactly?”

We are not there anymore.  There are only a few people left that still hold to this thinking  Glenn Greenwald is the prime example for me.  He is one of my heroes – he would have been “mainstream” 20 years ago, but now he is literally the only one I know of.  Sign of the Times, they call it.  Its easy to be a “one of the herd” liberal.  It is much, much more difficult when you’re the only one, like Glenn.  His stand takes real courage; he is one of the bravest men I know.

Accordingly, I’m not sure we can reach out and convince the current “Left” that blindly following authority (and endorsing authoritarian control on their “enemies”) leads to unhappy outcomes.  The current coordinated narrative has been way too effective.

As in the 60s, I think real learning will only come through suffering.  The CNN viewers will be preferentially harmed by their conformity and obedience to the narrative.  Their businesses will be destroyed, they will follow the lockdown orders of their governors, they will obediently “follow the science” (which is really just a bullshit narrative designed to benefit the Donors and increase fear and panic), and they will die or be otherwise harmed far more than the Deplorables, who seem more willing to eat horse paste, take hydroxychloroquine early, as per Zev Zelenko, use prophylaxis protocols, continue with more normal life, and do other cranky, rebellious things – yes, including not wearing masks.

[We should have an observational study on “COVID19 outcomes ordered by political party”;  my bet: there will be a significant all-cause COVID19 mortality benefit for being a Deplorable]

Eventually there will be a Come to Jesus moment when the current “Left” realizes they’ve been lied to by CNN, and that it has cost them years of their life, perhaps some dead relatives, and lots of unnecessary stress, suffering, the damaged education of their children – a whole raft of pain and agony which could have been avoided had they Questioned Authority a bit more.

I’m hoping this gets triggered by the Ivermectin Reveal.  But if not Ivermectin today, perhaps it will be triggered by vaccine damage from that MRNA vaccine – which I suspect the CNN viewers will be far more willing to take, as a sort of virtue-signal.  Or maybe Ivermectin tomorrow.

Whatever the trigger – the process is, suffering, followed by a big reveal, followed by a great deal of anger at the “CNN betrayal” which will catalyze the awakening process.  Sometime after that, this is when we will join forces.

The longer the reveal takes, the more damage will happen to them, the bigger the betrayal will be, the more of them will join forces with us.

Then together we can throw out the corrupted politicians on both sides, eliminate Pharma’s control over research, remove money from politics, eliminate the revolving door, end the Eternal Wars, eliminate the sickcare cartel, and bring those jobs back from China.

That’s my hopeful scenario.

What do you think?

  • Mon, Jan 11, 2021 - 08:15am   (Reply to #3)

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    Where is the Outrage on the Left?

100% spot on. This isn’t about left, right, Republican, Democrat. It is divide and conquer by the self proclaimed elite. It is about controlling the masses. Realizing we are all different is ok. The way forward is together not separate.

  • Mon, Jan 11, 2021 - 09:38am   (Reply to #6)

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    Where is the Outrage on the Left?

Dave you are delirious.

Suffering will be change correct. That said however changing politicians will have as much effect as changing your socks.

Politicians are nothing more than personalities. Decisions are made well above their pay grade. (which btw is pretty cheap)

Collapse is the future.

Learn Mandarin. The New Amerikaan Century is the end of empire

  • Mon, Jan 11, 2021 - 10:35am

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Personally, the fog has lifted from my brain regarding the age old question of how the German people could elect Hitler and then follow him down to the gates of hell. They seemed like such nice and intelligent people. Living here in the US, I can now see how it could happen to them as we are willingly going down a similar path.

That brings me to the realization that many Germans in the mid 1930’s probably had discussions just like this one we’re having in 2021 charting out a hopeful course to reversing the march toward totalitarian insanity. Probably many Chinese had similar discussions in the early to mid 1960’s regarding Mao’s approaching Cultural Revolution. Ditto Russia and Cambodia. So, I’m not completely without hope for a miracle, but color me pessimistic. I calculate those on The (Totalitarian) Left are much more likely to “reach” us than we are to reach them. 😳

I do agree with you that many on The (Totalitarian) Left will start singing a different tune once being complicit in The (Totalitarian) Left’s agenda causes them enough pain. I think that’s exactly what happened in Nazi Germany, the USSR, and Pol Pot’s Cambodia, but boy! look how much time and suffering that took! Your accurate assessment fills me with zero hope in that regard.

Trying to be hopeful anyway, I see one factor that might make our trajectory different than those regimes. None of those countries had as well armed and trained of a population as the US does. Will that be a significant factor to halt our march toward totalitarian insanity? The (Totalitarian) Left apparently thinks so and has HR 5717 waiting at the January 20th starting line for rapid implementation.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/5717/text

https://gunowners.org/na03302020/

https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/gunpocalypse-hr-5717/375021

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  • Mon, Jan 11, 2021 - 10:35am

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    Where is the Outrage on the Left?

From what I can tell, I am probably one of the more left persons on this site.  Sometimes to the point where I wonder why I bother coming here.  I have always perceived PP as a pretty far right site, maybe especially in recent years.   Once upon a time we had some good left voices on PP, like damnthematrix.  But even then it was pretty right.  I see Doug being dismissed as crazy here often.

The ‘left’ is a broad coalition, with probably 75% being considered democrats.  These would be the ‘cnn’ left.  To my mind these are the persons that represent incremental change that can be accepted by the corporations and wealthy.   This branch of the left are ( from my perspective) paid to lose.   They give the appearance of a fight, but ultimately believe in corporate interests, giving away 90% of the field.   Their purpose is to help the average person feel like they have the chance of getting something even as they move the marble to the right over and over.

Probably 25% of the left, I would label as progressives.  This wing is hated by the right and particularly hated by the corporate branch of the left left.

The right usually just calls us Crazy, Antifa, Marxist, Socialist or fans of Venezuela.  Its all a big straw man, but whatever.   This branch of the left has been taking damage from the corporate state (right and left) in the form of BLM, Keystone XL Water Protectors, Occupy crack downs and so on.

The ‘far left’ is very concerned about censorship as historically the tools of the state come down first on the far left as has been done for decades already.  Go try to organize a union and see what happens…. Or watch the depth of forces arrayed against a BLM protest.  Or watch the Chicago police disappear people, or the trump squad unlawfully gather left people off of the streets in Portland.

It is interesting to see the corporate state begin to come down on the right wing, now that you are not conforming to what is expected by the state.   Even one week ago, the capitol police thought they had nothing to worry about from a group of right wing protesters.    A month ago Patriot Prayer was happy to coordinate movements with the Portland police department ahead of BLM protests.

Perhaps this cozy power relationship is ending.  Once it has, I suspect the Left and Right will find they have more common ground then they do at the moment.

 

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