Where is the herd immunity?

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  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 07:00pm

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    Where is the herd immunity?

I wonder what is going on here:





 

  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 10:37pm

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    Where is the herd immunity?

The focus on antibodies is misleading.  If the circulating variant is an immune escape mutant, antibodies won’t recognize it effectively, regardless of antibody level.

Vaccines raise antibodies against spike protein only. The spike protein in Delta has 21 mutations, one of which enhances cleavage of the two subunits. Its unlikely that spike protein in delta will maintain the same conformation as spike protein used in the vaccine.

Vaccine-induced antibodies recognize a viral protein that is now obsolete.

Natural immunity is far superior as it will create more broad based recognition of the virus.

 

  • Sat, Oct 16, 2021 - 05:33am

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    Reply To: Where is the herd immunity?

It’s strange how the jabs & boosters are based on the old variant found in Wuhan – despite the mRNA makers claiming that they can update their products in mere days…

It wouldn’t be surprising if it leads to ADE or the ‘Hoskins effect’ etc.

  • Sun, Oct 17, 2021 - 11:25am

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    Where is the herd immunity?

GVB has said so many times that the wax cannot create herd immunity. Not possible. Full stop. RM has said that the immune system doesn’t work the way some appear to be thinking and that boosters aren’t necessarily going to help. In fact over time they will make things worse. Dr Been has pointed out that antibodies naturally wane after a wax and it’s the memory cells that are the important part,  not the serum level of ab’s. These are expected to decline once the pathogen has been cleared. Many have pointed these things out and more.

Science has been replaced with pseudo science. The situation we find ourselves in can only result in catastrophe.

One very important unknown is how long before sanity and science returns to our society.

  • Sun, Oct 17, 2021 - 04:50pm

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    Where is the herd immunity?

KJF: “GVB has said so many times that the wax cannot create herd immunity…”

You are preaching to the choir–quite nicely : )

I agree with Dr Malone–inventor of the core technology for the mRNA vaccines–that the ballot box is our only way out since there is so much corruption in governmental agencies.

However we need to get the word out to average folks.   They will need to read the quotes from the studies.  We HAVE to create a file with notes from the studies that can be “talking points.”

The talking points can then be shared in other groups.

For example churches are important because they already are taught to value honesty.  They are also taught that evil exists and we are all at times sinners.  So the idea that governmental agencies are corrupt won’t be so foreign to them.

However there is something in the Bible about cooperating with government officials, so they are going to be inclined to go along unless there is something obviously wrong.   We need to show them how the current situation is awfully wrong!

Those who have put their faith in left wing corporate media and who are not interested in reading excerpts from studies will have to learn the hard way–vax injury or death of a friend or loved one.

I say “left wing corporate media” because there are plenty of center-left people in science and those who are concerned about health and the environment.   Dr. Malone in a recent interview with LifeSiteNews said he is one such person.  He donated to the Biden campaign but he says lots of people like him who he knows are not going back due to the current authoritarian leadership.

Vaccine pioneer says rules ‘don’t apply’ to unaccountable, ‘corrupt’ Fauci, FDA

 

  • Sun, Oct 17, 2021 - 05:57pm   (Reply to #5)

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    Where is the herd immunity?

I agree with Dr Malone–inventor of the core technology for the mRNA vaccines–that the ballot box is our only way out since there is so much corruption in governmental agencies.

I think that ship has sailed.  Prepare accordingly

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“Science has been replaced with pseudo science. The situation we find ourselves in can only result in catastrophe.”

Yet, if you question the ‘pseudo science’ you’re accused of spreading ‘dangerous misinformation’.

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