Where do we go from here? Novovax…

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  • Fri, Sep 10, 2021 - 09:35am

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    Nick N

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    Where do we go from here? Novovax…

So my wife and I watched the above video and were relieved to see that Dr. Martenson shared the same conclusion that if one had to get a vaccination, Novovax would be the one.

We spend half of our year in the U.K. (wife is British) and the other half in Colorado. We’re both unvaxxed and trying to assess the situation day by day. To get vaxxed or not? Obviously, we don’t fit the risk profile (both in late thirties with zero comorbidities), so we’ve thus far opted to not get the jabs.

After Biden’s executive order yesterday, it has become clear to us that this is something we unfortunately will likely be unable to avoid mostly because of our lifestyle that involves crossing international borders multiple times per year. This has left us with the realization that we’ll have to “choose a poison”.

Since Novovax doesn’t appear to be an option at any time in the near future, I was considering the J&J as the next least harmful jab. My wife however is hesitant because of her factor V Leiden gene mutation (discovered through 23andme), which would predispose her to blood clots.

My question now is, does anyone have any advice on what path we should take? I honestly feel run down and unable to be decisive at the moment and I would really appreciate other like-minded people’s thoughts on this.

  • Fri, Sep 10, 2021 - 10:48am

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    Where do we go from here? Novovax…

My approach would be to “wait and watch” how things unfold and only get one when you are absolutely certain you have to.

We do know Moderna is worse than Pfizer based on VAERS death rates and the 3.33x higher vaccine dose with Moderna than Pfizer. Most interestingly, you can see that the US has all but curtailed administration of Moderna since around May based on this graph here: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccine-doses-by-manufacturer?country=~USA . To not mince words, it seems they realized it’s killing people significantly more than Pfizer. So I think it’s very easy to rule out Moderna.

As for J&J vs. Pfizer, it’s hard to say for sure. Pfizer is the only company to release 6 month data from their clinical trial so far, and these data proved the Pfizer vaccine slightly INCREASES the overall risk of death (15 deaths vaccine vs. 14 deaths placebo), rather than saving lives. See Pfizer’s preprint article here https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1 . Remember that there is a major widespread bias against the J&J vaccine, for many possible reasons. So last time I checked, the VAERS death rate for J&J was a bit higher than Pfizer (but better than Moderna), although certainly there is a bias towards more VAERS reporting for J&J because even doctors and other health care workers may be genuinely suspicious of it since they’ve heard many negative things in the media etc. AstraZeneca is a similar vaccine to J&J, but it seems to have a worse safety record than J&J, and some European data comparing Pfizer and AstraZeneca deaths are equivocal (not clear which is worse). So it may well be that J&J is safer than Pfizer (and certainly Moderna), but we don’t have adequate data right now, J&J’s 6-month clinical trial data should give us an answer. Based on the 2-month clinical trial data, J&J showed the best risk-benefit ratio out of the three U.S. vaccines, but of course the media gave the opposite impression.

The blood clotting certainly does occur with mRNA vaccines, not only adenovirus vector vaccines, it’s just that there is favoritism to hide this about the mRNA vaccines. See article here: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/blood-clots-as-prevalent-with-pfizer-and-moderna-vaccine-as-with-astrazenecas-report-2021-04-15 . I even know personally because I have a previously healthy relative who ended up with serious blood clots a few months after Moderna, was found unresponsive after his usual exercise, and had to get 3 stents placed on an emergency basis.

Would getting a WHO-approved inactivated virus vaccine like Sinopharm or Sinovac be an option for you (if you are willing to travel to Mexico or somewhere else for that), as all data currently available show that these vaccines DO NOT cause excess deaths unlike the mRNA vaccines. Covaxin from India has shown that it actually saves lives overall in its clinical trial (5 deaths vaccine vs. 10 deaths placebo), but it’s not WHO-approved yet, I heard it might be soon. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.30.21259439v1 . If I have to get one, I will very strongly consider going to Mexico for one of the inactivated virus vaccines, if it would satisfy these insane requirements and mandates. If not, I would lean towards J&J but look into it more.

Again, why not wait as long as you can to see how things pan out, and then only get a vaccine when you absolutely have to get it.

  • Fri, Sep 10, 2021 - 11:21am

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    And don’t forget prophylactics

They are all theoretical at this point, but probably worth trying.  Ivermectin (day before, day of and day after vaccine – I would continue longer), blood thinners/anticoagulants and all of the usual covid nutraceuticals (Vitamin D, etc.).  Theoretically, IVM prevents J&J from delivering it’s payload to the cells so no or much reduced spike protein production.

  • Fri, Sep 10, 2021 - 11:34am   (Reply to #6)

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    J&J and IVM

QB, can you provide any further info and/or links about the effect of IVM on the J&J vaccine?  Sounds like a possible path if the vaccine requirement becomes unavoidable.

It’s way back in the forums somewhere, I think originally posted by Alex Berenson on Twitter and reposted by Jim H here.

  • Fri, Sep 10, 2021 - 12:04pm

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    Where do we go from here?

I am following this thread b/c I am in a similar situation and have to make a decision by Oct. 8. Keep my 20+ year job or look elsewhere and have the same thing happen over and over?

There was another thread on this topic a few weeks ago, too :

Johnson & Johnson vaccine – Opinion?? | Peak Prosperity

  • Fri, Sep 10, 2021 - 12:42pm

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    Where do we go from here? Novovax…

I suspect there are safer vaccines than what is available in the US, but getting vaccinated with a vaccine that the US does not recognize might not satisfy the mandate.  It would be quite obscene if someone had to be vaccinated a second time because the first time didn’t count.  Which is one more reason to wait as long as possible, to better understand the rules.

  • Fri, Sep 10, 2021 - 12:50pm

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    Where do we go from here? Novovax…

Obviously I don’t know everyone’s personal situation. But I’m concerned with the recent rash of post saying “well, I don’t want to but I guess I’m going to have to get one of the jabs.”  I encourage you all to think long and hard about that. I don’t think TPTB will be satisfied with that.  The more consent that you give them, the more of you they will take. I believe that the earlier the masses say NO, they easier it will be to do so.  You think you’ll be able to say no after your seventh booster, with your mandatory contact tracer app on, and ubiquitous brown shirts asking to see your health passport everywhere you go?

  • Fri, Sep 10, 2021 - 01:01pm

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    Where do we go from here? Novovax…

I totally agree with what TWalker just said. This is not going to stop at two shots/jabs. Be aware that you will be compromising your health for maybe 6 months’ travel respite. That’s a big trade off.

With regard to the UK, look into Valneva, which is coming soon. It gives far broader protection than just to the spike protein. This should give better protection that lasts longer. However I doubt the US will authorize it as it would compete with P+M.

For Novavax — check out DrBeen + Novavax on Youtube. He says it is totally different from the others, so it does not encourage your body to produce the spike protein, but it is still totally focused only on the spike protein.

  • Fri, Sep 10, 2021 - 01:04pm

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    Where do we go from here? Novovax…

When someone sane steps forward at NIH acquired immunity will be recognized as superior to any vaccine and the mandates will be dropped.  Perhaps replaced with some test for immunity but (given sanity) with early over-the-counter treatments available people can decide for themselves just as they do with the flu vaccines.

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