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  • Sun, Mar 29, 2009 - 03:09pm

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    What’s The End Game?

After being on this site for over 6 months now and having learned so much from all the contributions of Chris and all the members, I have one question…. What is the end game?

On one hand it seems that this historic collapse of our country/world is just mere incompetency, unintelligence, irresponsibility, greed, etc.. by our representatives in our government and on Wall St. that it has finally caught up with them and us.

On the other hand it seems (and I’m leaning towards this camp) that this has been orchestrated consciously by TPTB from the beginning.  The reason I say that is because of the continuous deception our government bestows on us.  The lies we hear day-in/day-out is just remarkable.  What are they trying to do?  Why does it seem that we are being cheated on so blatently that they arrogantly rub it in our faces with a shit eaten grin.   

In either case, we talk about planting gardens, buying guns, storing food, etc… without knowing if or what the end game really is.  We hear people saying we should storm Washington with pitch forks, but if we did that we would get there, look at eachother and say "now what"?  Because at the end of the day, nobody knows what the hell is truely going on.

Sorry for the rambling, but I am so confused I don’t know what/who to believe anymore.  As my grandfather used to always tell me, "nothing is ever as it seems"  and in this case boy is he right.

So, in your opinion, what is the end game here?

 

 

  • Sun, Mar 29, 2009 - 03:47pm

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    Re: What’s The End Game?

 

 

I think that you give the TPTB too much credit if you think that this mess was some sort of orchestrated grand plan. I am convinced that the central bankers thought that they could milk this cash cow forever. The just did not see far enough into the future to see that it must crash.

 

It is sort of like those that thought up Social Security. I am sure they thought that it was always going to be viable when they devised it. It did not work out that way because they did not look more than a few years (or decades) ahead. 

 

I have learned a lot from the CC and the contributions of those that frequent this forum. Greed by most, incompetence by many, and unenlightened self interest all  fueled by fiat money is my take on how we got here. At this point those in power are doing everything they can to stave off the inevitable. They may be able to delay the eventual collapse but it will come nevertheless.  I just wish I knew how this collapse was going to look.

 

Ken

 

  • Sun, Mar 29, 2009 - 04:07pm

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Dear castlewp,

I am exactly where you are, I tried for a long time to believe that this was all about incompetent people in high office, and I am sure a few are, but this to me, is so much more than that.  Were it not so, occassionally they would accidently get something right, and that just hasn’t happened.  When 80% of the people are screaming for them to turn down the bailouts, and they don’t hear us, there is a real problem there, when every other day, there is a new piece of legislation to somehow take or restrict our guns, there is a problem there, when the news media only reports one side of the news without questions, that is a problem, there is now proposed legislation in the house to make it a major offense with possible fine of 1 million dollars for not using genetically engineered seeds, as seen on another forum topic here.  If that were to pass, it would effectively stop us all from even growing the food we will need to survive.  If you add that to the looting that has taken us to the brink of total economic collapse, the manipulation of precious metals prices, the refusal for a competing currency, I don’t see how anyone could construe this as an accident.  NO,  there has to be an intelligent plan behind this, probably starting even before the Federal Reserve was formed in1913, but for sure moving at a faster pace since then, as our money continues to be diluted.  The real shame here, is that the American public has become so passive and dumbed down, that they absolutely refuse to question anything, chosing instead to take sides as Democrats or Republicans, instead of Americans, and rant about how corrupt the other side is and place blame there.  This smoke screen is allowing the PTB to keep this going on and on, and the public just never sees the real problem.  My gut feeling is, that the PTB have not yet got us where they want us, and need a bit more time until they are ready, then we will all find out what the end game was, but then it will very late to change it.  As bad as it sounds, I am beginning to feel that the only hope we have, is for this whole scenario to crash very soon, before they can dot the I’s and cross the T’s, awaken people abruptly to where we actually are and that we are not going to be normal again.  What happens after that, I don’t know, it sure wouldn’t be good, but maybe we could all start working for a common goal instead of whinnin. Without a major effort to stop this, whatever it is, I am pretty sure we are screwed.

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  • Sun, Mar 29, 2009 - 04:24pm

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    Re: What’s The End Game?

michael hudson an economist i respect as much as anyone believes the end game is NEO FUEDALISM.

i agree.

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I had to look it up, but yes this is what seems to be happening at an alarming rate.  Thanks Joe2Baba 

Neofeudalism literally means "new feudalism" and implies a contemporary rebirth of policies of governance and economy reminiscent of those present in many pre-industrial feudal societies. The concept is one in which government policies are instituted with the effect (deliberate or otherwise) of systematically increasing the wealth gap between the rich and the poor while increasing the power of the rich and decreasing the power of the poor (also see wealth condensation). This effect is considered to be similar to the effects of traditional feudalism. The definition of the term is disputed and can be loosely employed as a pejorative term to attack political opponents.

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    Re: What’s The End Game?

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I think that you give the TPTB too much credit if you think that this mess was some sort of orchestrated grand plan. I am convinced that the central bankers thought that they could milk this cash cow forever. The just did not see far enough into the future to see that it must crash.

 

It is sort of like those that thought up Social Security. I am sure they thought that it was always going to be viable when they devised it. It did not work out that way because they did not look more than a few years (or decades) ahead. 

 

I have learned a lot from the CC and the contributions of those that frequent this forum. Greed by most, incompetence by many, and unenlightened self interest all  fueled by fiat money is my take on how we got here. At this point those in power are doing everything they can to stave off the inevitable. They may be able to delay the eventual collapse but it will come nevertheless.  I just wish I knew how this collapse was going to look.

 

Ken

 

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That is a possibility.

But it seems like you’re "all in" on a massive bet that this is due to just greed and incompetence. Even though millenia of history contradicts the probabilities. I prefer hedging my bets, entertaining all but the most absurd possibilities, and assign probabilities to them. I post this because your comment reminds me of days past, when I would make up my mind (usually the most favorable or least frightening explanation) and then go dig up facts to support my conclusion.At that point there was very little that could "convince me" otherwise and I’d become argumentative as hell, defending the most absurd horse hockey explanations to keep my thesis alive. 

It’s comforting. But I got burned by that mode of reasoning. Not going to let myself get burned again. Now I want to know the truth. No matter how much it sucks. And no matter how whacked and insane the sheep might think I am. 

Sanity is conformity to social norms. Sometimes sanity is truth. Sometimes not. 

 

 

  • Sun, Mar 29, 2009 - 07:00pm

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    Re: What’s The End Game?

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I had to look it up, but yes this is what seems to be happening at an alarming rate.  Thanks Joe2Baba 

Neofeudalism literally means "new feudalism" and implies a contemporary rebirth of policies of governance and economy reminiscent of those present in many pre-industrial feudal societies. The concept is one in which government policies are instituted with the effect (deliberate or otherwise) of systematically increasing the wealth gap between the rich and the poor while increasing the power of the rich and decreasing the power of the poor (also see wealth condensation). This effect is considered to be similar to the effects of traditional feudalism. The definition of the term is disputed and can be loosely employed as a pejorative term to attack political opponents.

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Have we ever had anything different?  We all haven’t risen with the tide that we were promised.  We’ve been sold a lie and trapped by debt and consumerism; and I can only see the accumulation of wealth in the hands of the few ( and it happening more quickly with the bailouts) and the spread of poverty, in the UK I am aware or now of lots of people that are in difficult postions.  It also goes for people I know in the Netherlands, Belgium and Germany

  • Sun, Mar 29, 2009 - 07:02pm

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    Re: What’s The End Game?

I don’t discount what others have posted to this thread because I believe the threat is very real.  But, I wanted to offer an optimistic "end game" because I think it is very possible.

Our nation holds the power to fire the private Federal Reserve Bank any time we want.  After that, we repay our debt with them for free – I think it is around $5 trillion dollars right now.  Money we create for free, that only exists as a keyboard entry and is instantly extinguished along with the debt. Not a bad first step, eliminate almost 40% of our national debt and save around $200 billion a year on interest.

The Federal Reserve would need investigated and the RICO statutes were legislated for large scale racketeering operations – this would allow us to seize their assets pending the outcome of the investigation.  They have what may be the largest gold holdings in the world deep under the streets of New York City – very easy to lock down.

China would be paid back in the same way – with money we create rather than borrow.  I think it is around $2 trillion dollars, maybe someone can correct me (yes this could be inflationary – best done during current deflationary period).

The government, through the treasury, could provide money to the banks – just like the Fed.  The combination of greatly reduced interest charges on our national debt and the new revenue found by being our own bank would allow us to eliminate the Federal Income tax with money to spare – talk about stimulus!

All derivatives would be frozen until we are able to analyse the best final course, which may be as simple as dissolving all claims.  End the patriot act and FISA – bring back the Constitution!  Amend the Constitution to mandate a balanced budget unless Congress declares war.  Pass legislation that stipulates that the social security trust money may never be borrowed from again.  Stop reporting our balance sheet on the cash flow basis and implement the accrual basis so that we might be able to properly budget future liabilities.

These steps would absolutely crush the criminal central banking scheme – no nation could compete with the US unless they dumped their banking parasites.  Forget the new world order which is more accurately described as the consolidation of central banks – they will be too broke to meddle in our future affairs and hopefully after the criminal investigation many will be safely placed at Gitmo.  The plan may need some tweaking, but I think you get my point.

Larry

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    Re: What’s The End Game?

DrKrby.

The only possible way to revoke the authority of the Federal Reserve, and this is mere opinion, would be a massive populist uprising in demand of it. Now, consider the patterns of behavior by our Congress and White House the past 40 years, and particularly the last 8 years plus 3 months. 

Do you REALLY think that they would ever do that? The same crowd that, despite 300:1 opposition to TARP/EESA voted overwhelmingly for it anyways? The same group that siphons off our cell phone conversations, our email, the IP’s of where we surf, and then denies doing it until the evidence is so overwhelming that the sheep have no "out", no plausible fantasy explanation to let them sleep well at night after a kick-ass episode of Lost? These "leaders" are the same people that offer up bunk like "we can’t discuss these no-bd contracts regarding baby formula for Head Start because we’re afraid that terrorists might poison the supply. Therefore, the discussions are classified under National Security"? 

No. I wish I could be so optimistic. You have a public uprising demanding the dissolution of the Federal Reserve, and the media a.) discounts the size of the crowd from 1,000,000 to 15,000, IF they report it at all, AND, b.) using their sick twisted methods, convince the sheep that the crowd is made up of anarchists, white supremicists, militia nutcases and other homegrown terrorists, c.)  Then 60 minutes runs a story of "Why Jesus took his sandals off before entering the Federal Reserve of NY", complete with touching stories of how desperate working class folks, single mothers whose sons have cancer, had their lives touched so lovingly by the Fed. 

Won’t happen. And if the demonization doesn’t work, that pesky Posse Commitatus has been pretty much trashed so out comes the "National Emergency" card and battalions with VERY scary armaments. 

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    Re: What’s The End Game?

[quote=DrKrbyLuv]

I don’t discount what others have posted to this thread because I believe the threat is very real.  But, I wanted to offer an optimistic "end game" because I think it is very possible.

Our nation holds the power to fire the private Federal Reserve Bank any time we want.  After that, we repay our debt with them for free – I think it is around $5 trillion dollars right now.  Money we create for free, that only exists as a keyboard entry and is instantly extinguished along with the debt. Not a bad first step, eliminate almost 40% of our national debt and save around $200 billion a year on interest.

The Federal Reserve would need investigated and the RICO statutes were legislated for large scale racketeering operations – this would allow us to seize their assets pending the outcome of the investigation.  They have what may be the largest gold holdings in the world deep under the streets of New York City – very easy to lock down.

China would be paid back in the same way – with money we create rather than borrow.  I think it is around $2 trillion dollars, maybe someone can correct me (yes this could be inflationary – best done during current deflationary period).

The government, through the treasury, could provide money to the banks – just like the Fed.  The combination of greatly reduced interest charges on our national debt and the new revenue found by being our own bank would allow us to eliminate the Federal Income tax with money to spare – talk about stimulus!

All derivatives would be frozen until we are able to analyse the best final course, which may be as simple as dissolving all claims.  End the patriot act and FISA – bring back the Constitution!  Amend the Constitution to mandate a balanced budget unless Congress declares war.  Pass legislation that stipulates that the social security trust money may never be borrowed from again.  Stop reporting our balance sheet on the cash flow basis and implement the accrual basis so that we might be able to properly budget future liabilities.

These steps would absolutely crush the criminal central banking scheme – no nation could compete with the US unless they dumped their banking parasites.  Forget the new world order which is more accurately described as the consolidation of central banks – they will be too broke to meddle in our future affairs and hopefully after the criminal investigation many will be safely placed at Gitmo.  The plan may need some tweaking, but I think you get my point.

Larry

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Hi Larry,

Why hasn’t this ever been done?  I keep seeing Woodrow Wilson’s words and his regret over the creation of the Fed……  I’m not from the US but given the consequences for the whole world if the dollar heads south, I can’t help but wonder why the Fed still exists

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