What’s behind the pro-vax argument to “look at the polio epidemic”?

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  • Fri, Nov 26, 2021 - 06:44pm



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    Claiming polio vaccines are successful is heresy

Anyone stupid enough to use polio as an argument for vaccine efficacy should be publicly humiliated. Even a cursory search proves what an utter disaster this vaccine program has been.

First some background:

Was there a proven effective alternative to treat polio before vaccines? Yes, high dose vitamin C. Presented to the AMA, though they didn’t dispute the findings, it was declined as treatment in favor of the Sabin and Salk vaccines.


Claus W. Jungeblut (1) had the initial idea; William J. McCormick (2) was an early proponent of frequent gram-sized doses. But it was Frederick Robert Klenner who first gave polio patients tens of thousands of milligrams of vitamin C per day. He had been doing so since before D-Day…

“When I first came across Klenner’s work on polio patients,” writes Thomas Levy, “I was absolutely amazed and even a bit overwhelmed at what I read. . . To know that polio had been easily cured and so many babies, children, and some adults still continued to die or survive to be permanently crippled by this virus was extremely difficult to accept. . . Even more incredibly, Klenner briefly presented a summarization of his work on polio at the Annual Session of the American Medical Association on June 10, 1949 in Atlantic City, New Jersey:

‘It might be interesting to learn how poliomyelitis was treated in Reidsville, N.C., during the 1948 epidemic. In the past seven years, virus infections have been treated and cured in a period of seventy-two hours by the employment of massive frequent injections of ascorbic acid, or vitamin C. I believe that if vitamin C in these massive doses – 6,000 to 20,000 mg in a twenty-four hour period – is given to these patients with poliomyelitis none will be paralyzed and there will be no further maiming or epidemics of poliomyelitis.’ Levy concludes: “The four doctors who commented after Klenner did not have anything to say about his assertions.” (5)..

Indeed, Klenner was hardly a man to mince words. “When proper amounts are used, it will destroy all virus organisms,” he would say. “Don’t expect control of a virus with 100 to 400 mg of C.” (6)

Klenner administered ascorbate by injection, and, as Lendon H. Smith describes in great detail in the Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C: The Clinical Experiences of Frederick R. Klenner, M.D., Klenner found that “the most effective route was intravenous, but the intramuscular route was satisfactory. He gave at least 350 mg per kilogram of body weight.” That quantity per day is a dose of 25,000-30,000 mg or so for an adult. Yet, Smith adds, “With 350 mg per kilogram of body weight every two hours, he could stop measles and dry up chicken pox.”

This is indeed a large amount of vitamin C. Such use exemplifies the modern orthomolecular physician. Klenner’s doses were enormous, flexible and symptom-driven. The sicker the patient, the higher the dose. Massive ascorbate treatment cured every one of 60 polio cases Klenner saw. He published his report in Southern Medicine and Surgery in July of 1949. (7) All patients were well in three days. None had any paralysis.



So a safe, cheap, effective treatment was abandoned in favor of Pharma and vaccines…sound familiar?

How did the polio vaccine program go? Terribly.

The Cutter Incident: How America’s First Polio Vaccine Led to a Growing Vaccine Crisis

In April 1955 more than 200 000 children in five Western and mid-Western USA states received a polio vaccine in which the process of inactivating the live virus proved to be defective. Within days there were reports of paralysis and within a month the first mass vaccination programme against polio had to be abandoned. Subsequent investigations revealed that the vaccine, manufactured by the California-based family firm of Cutter Laboratories, had caused 40 000 cases of polio, leaving 200 children with varying degrees of paralysis and killing 10.


Shedding live virus capable of harming others is not new news:

Biologic Events Following Immunization
Each of the three immunologically distinct types of poliovirus—types 1, 2, and 3—can cause paralytic disease. Both IPV and OPV stimulate immune responses against all three types of virus. OPV induces gastrointestinal mucosal immunity to a greater degree than IPV. The enhanced-potency IPV used today in the United States produces a humoral antibody response superior to that of OPV (Onorato et al., 1991). It is not clear whether either OPV or IPV confers lifelong immunity (Nishio et al., 1984). The mechanism of attenuation of the neurovirulence and that of occasional reversion to neurovirulence have been described in detail in a recent review (Racaniello, 1992). Recipients of OPV shed the virus in their feces, and contacts exposed to the virus can become infected.


And if all this isn’t enough, an admission from 2020 the polio vaccine causes polio:

How the polio vaccine virus occasionally becomes dangerou

In a new paper, Adam Lauring, M.D., Ph.D., of the department of microbiology & immunology and the division of infectious disease and a collaborative team describe an enterprising study that allowed them to view the evolution of the vaccine virus into a more dangerous form in real time.

“Most outbreaks of type 2 polio virus are caused by the vaccine. Then you have a problem where our best weapon is that same vaccine, so you’re kind of fighting fire with fire,” says Lauring…

“There’s a lot of work being done to try and understand how the virus goes from attenuated to virulent again,” says Lauring. “What we haven’t known is what it is doing in those first few weeks or months. This was an opportunity to see those early steps.” (so the vaccine’s diminished virus goes into the body and replicates enough to cause disease- Again, sound familiar?)


So blatant is the lying, even ABC news reported it Nov. 2019:

More polio cases now caused by vaccine than by wild virus

LONDON — Four African countries have reported new cases of polio linked to the oral vaccine, as global health numbers show there are now more children being paralyzed by viruses originating in vaccines than in the wild.

In a report late last week, the World Health Organization and partners noted nine new polio cases caused by the vaccine in Nigeria, Congo, Central African Republic and Angola. Seven countries elsewhere in Africa have similar outbreaks and cases have been reported in Asia. Of the two countries where polio remains endemic, Afghanistan and Pakistan, vaccine-linked cases have been identified in Pakistan. (Thanks OBO and K Hoe for those unvetted refugees.)


And now the coup de grace…

Africa now free of wild poliovirus, but polio threat remains

The announcement by the African Regional Certification Commission for Polio Eradication comes after no cases were reported for four years. Polio once paralyzed some 75,000 children a year across Africa. (Please note previous source was from 2019. When was this “four years no cases?”)

Health authorities see the declaration as a rare glint of good news in Africa amid the coronavirus pandemic, an Ebola outbreak in western Congo and the persistent deadly challenges of malaria, HIV and tuberculosis.

“This is an incredible and emotional day,” WHO Africa director Matshidiso Moeti said, but she urged vigilance as the coronavirus threatens vaccination and surveillance efforts.

The World Health Organization says this is just the second time a virus has been eradicated in Africa, after the elimination of smallpox four decades ago.

But sometimes patchy surveillance across the vast continent of 1.3 billion people raises the possibility that scattered cases of the wild poliovirus still remain, undetected.



WTF????  Just like small pox, we declare the virus gone, self-congragulate, and make announcements, but we really can’t prove it. ALL PR!!!

Kinda like the endless “variants” of C-v threat; each more deadly than the first. Gotta get you vaccinated NOW.

A basic rule of microbes is that either it mutates to pass more easily or it becomes more virulent. You can’t do both …at least, not without help.

  • Fri, Nov 26, 2021 - 07:13pm   (Reply to #11)

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    What’s behind the pro-vax argument to “look at the polio epidemic”?

“Anyone stupid enough to use polio as an argument for vaccine efficacy should be publicly humiliated.”

I totally disagree.

This is bad persuasion technique (if your goal is to actually persuade, and not just to score points in an argument or to pat ones self on the back, as many do online). Better to encourage people to look outside their blinders and echo chambers to check their assumptions than to condemn them for not knowing something.

It also assumes you are fully knowledgeable about the subject. Better to approach the subject as one open to discussion and willing to question his own assumptions as an example to others.

This is also a widely held belief. It may or may not be true. Most people don’t question widely held beliefs at all; they blindly accept the word of authority of one kind or another. So patience and gentle encouragement is better to get them to look at this. Chastising them will shut them down and in their minds cut off future debate. They will write off those who offer counter evidence to prevailing narratives and beliefs.

Finally it confuses ignorance with intelligence. And that’s pretty ignorant.

Whether your opinion is correct or not, how you communicate with those who disagree has a big impact on whether they give your views an honest hearing.

That said, there are those who claim to be experts who clearly should know better but clearly lie. They are neither stupid nor ignorant. Call them out publicly and shame them for their deceit.

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    What’s behind the pro-vax argument to “look at the polio epidemic”?

I don’t think trying to introduce facts that are counter to what people generally regard as true about what happened with polio and it’s vaccine is going to help in such discussions.  It’s enough to point out that 1) the polio vaccine is sterilizing and the sars-cov-2 vaccines are not and 2) this is brand new technology for which we have no long term safety data for and that vaccines are usually studied for many years before being released for use on the general population.  For shock value I’d try to tie in thalidomide and what it did to babies.  It’s not a vaccine, but it is a cautionary tale about not studying a medication enough before using it.

At least that’s how I would approach it.

  • Sat, Nov 27, 2021 - 10:51am



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    Reply To: What’s behind the pro-vax argument to “look at the polio epidemic”?

There aren’t many technologies that can exist for 30 years and still be considered new just because it doesn’t work (and hasn’t for 30 years) and that the media says it is new.

I came here to say what some others already have.  Polio vaccine, like most came after either eradication through other means had started or herd immunity has started to be achieved.  It is common for the industry to change the definition of something once a vaccine has been created so that the perceived effectiveness is higher.


In the case of polio, two things are widely attributed to its demise prior to the creation of a vaccine.


1. Chlorination of public swimming holes

2. Ceasing the use DDT. There is evidence that India still has a significant polio issue (which is whyBMGF went there to “print money” and kill people) because they still use DDT. Check out what the BMGF did there, trying to “eradicate” polio. It is disgusting.

  • Sat, Nov 27, 2021 - 11:19am   (Reply to #2)

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    What’s behind the pro-vax argument to “look at the polio epidemic”?

Read Moth in the Iron Lung by Forrest Maready, MD.  Polio?  Not what we all think it is or was.  This well documented work tells a 50-year history of this “infantile paralysis” — then why did FDR get it? — that was due to our efforts to combat the gypsy moth — imported from France to fabricate a new kind of silk to compete with cotton — a new bug in the US devastating forests and crops like none before and  requiring all kinds toxic chemicals — ultimately DDT — to control.  Yes, DDT.  That’s what damaged the guts of kids, allowing the viruses of the usual summer flu to travel straight back to the spinal cord and — well, you know the rest.  The vaccine?  Maybe it did some good, but the real game changer was outlawing the use of DDT on fruits that the kids enjoyed in the summer time.  I am old enough to remember spraying my mother’s roses with DDT to get rid of the bugs.

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