What’s behind the pro-vax argument to “look at the polio epidemic”?

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  • Fri, Nov 26, 2021 - 02:32pm

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    Kiwibug

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    What’s behind the pro-vax argument to “look at the polio epidemic”?

  • A number of people with whom I’ve discussed covid jab issues retort that I need to “look at the polio outbreak” – “that worked.”  The implication is that mass vaccinations at that time caused the outbreak to subside and many were saved.
    This feels simplistic and those I’ve had the conversation with have little more in the way of detail.
    Do any of our Peak Prosperity tribe have links to good information on this and comparisons between this outbreak and its treatment and the current pandemic?
    I’m hoping to understand what’s behind this argument and whether it holds water .

(if i recall correctly, NZ ( we pronounce it “En- Zed”) had an outbreak in the 1940s which shut all the schools and saw many kids in “iron lungs”, and lots with calipers for life)

 

  • Fri, Nov 26, 2021 - 02:41pm

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    What’s behind the pro-vax argument to “look at the polio epidemic”?

Well, the easy way to reply is:

”Yes, if we had a sterilizing, non-leaky vaccine instead of a gene therapy, mass vaccinations could potentially eradicate Covid.”

  • Fri, Nov 26, 2021 - 03:19pm

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    Counter info to “Because vaxes stopped polio!”

Take this with a grain of salt, as I’m not medical expert, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn a few years ago…

I recall reading this past year that the primary vector for Polio was fecal matter.  So back in the 40-50-60s you had the Polio vax development and the mass campaign, at the same time a big push for advances in general cleanliness and hygiene throughout society.  Out-houses were replaced with in-door toilets and a sink next to them to wash your hands with soap.  Children swimming in-mass in lakes and ponds where herded into chlorinated pools.  Cleanliness campaigns in the schools, kids told to wash hands after going poo.  Restaurant workers were told to wash hands after going poo.  Etc, etc.

The take away is the polio vax effectiveness was increased by concurring changes in societal cleanliness behaviors.   When I tell folks this I get, the “Ohhh, okay….”  response.  Then I typically roll in with the “As for today things are different.  Back in 1986 the Vax companies got a free pass with a congressional law giving them complete immunity (as long as all known side effects are on the vax’s box insert)   And from that today Big Pharma and Big Health Care is sucking the life out of the middle class with their perpetual sick-care schemes and have become the Big Tobacco like back in the 70’s where they have their government puppets bought and paid for to enable their crimes.  An example of this would be oxycotin and the Sackler family…..”

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    Have we gotten rid of polio, or have we renamed it?

If you went to the doc in the 1930s with any nerve issue, fatigue or just about anything, it was likely labeled polio.  Once the vaccine came out, then it couldn’t be polio, now could it?  So we have MS, fibromyalgia, lupus, neuropathy, Guianne Barre (sp?) etc.

What is really shocking to me is that they haven’t renamed post vaccine Covid as something else.  They have tried with the “super cold” but the mere fact that people are still popping positive with Covid means the vaccines really do not work!

Kathy

 

  • Fri, Nov 26, 2021 - 04:18pm

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    What’s behind the pro-vax argument to “look at the polio epidemic”?

When Covid first came out, I read up a little on Polio. What I read: about 70% of cases were asymptomatic. Symptomatic cases resembled the flu. About 1/200 had paralysis. About 1/1000 died. In that sense, similar to Covid in that only a small fraction had severe illness. Yet, also caused great panic at the time as well.

 

  • Fri, Nov 26, 2021 - 04:43pm

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    What’s behind the pro-vax argument to “look at the polio epidemic”?

Polio was redefined exactly when the vaccine came out.  Which resulted in immediate proof how effective the vaccine was.

  • Fri, Nov 26, 2021 - 04:46pm

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    Redneck Engineer

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    Historic benefits of vaxxes

I’ve seen a number of charts like this that are worth studying.  Early 20th century reductions in diseases like these have multiple actions correlated with them, from better hygiene to vaccines. How much of the reduction should be credited to vaccines? I don’t know. I need to study further. It is possible vaccines have really offered minimal benefit but I am not ready to agree with that quite yet.

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    What’s behind the pro-vax argument to “look at the polio epidemic”?

Is there a difference ‘tween RNA and DNA viruses?

…are their vaccines different???

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    What’s behind the pro-vax argument to “look at the polio epidemic”?

That’s probably because they don’t know about the reality behind polio ! An excellent book : https://www.amazon.com/Dissolving-Illusions-Disease-Vaccines-Forgotten/dp/1480216895/ You can also search the web for polio and DDT. And about the fact that vaccine-caused polio (they now call it “accute myelitis”) makes it impossible for “polio” to be “erradicated” by vaccines.

  • Fri, Nov 26, 2021 - 06:36pm

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    Well THIS is interesting…

I just did a little Duck Duck Go-ing, and stumbled on this essay. I know nothing about the site or the authors, just found this pdf in my searching. Is it possible that this guy’s conclusion is accurate? Interesting nonetheless.

Synopsis: In the USA, incidence of paralytic polio followed Lead Arsenate, Calcium Arsenate, Benzene Hexachloride, & DDT exposure.

onecellonelightradio.files.wordpress<DOT>com/2017/02/everything-about-polio-is-wrong-ddt-good-for-me.pdf

(replace the <DOT> with .)

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