What happens when you take a COVID vaccination while you’re on Ivermectin

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  • Thu, Jun 10, 2021 - 07:41am

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    KathyP

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    What happens when you take a COVID vaccination while you’re on Ivermectin

My husband and I have been using the FLCCC prevention protocol since January.  Due to our advanced ages, we did take COVID vaccinations, he the Pfizer series in February, and I the J&J shot in March.  Neither of us experienced any effects afterwards.

After hearing Dr. Kory’s comment near the end of the Dark Horse interview about using Ivermectin to address adverse reactions to vaccinations, I’ve begun to wonder if we screwed the pooch by negating any positive effects of the vaccinations, or if we saved ourselves from future adverse long term effects.

Any thoughts on this from the community?

Thank you.

  • Thu, Jun 10, 2021 - 08:11am

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    What happens when you take a COVID vaccination while you’re on Ivermectin

I think the benefits of having the vaccine are that if you end up in the ER they will do everything they can to classify it as something other than Covid.  So in that sense I think your vaccines will serve their purpose.   IMO it feels like many institutions are using Covid to pick and choose winners and losers.  “Oh, they were elderly and they had Covid, there really wasn’t anything we could have done.”

As for biologically, it has been suggested that IVM blocks mRNA from making the spike protein.  If I decide I want a vaccine card, you bet I am loading up on IVM to try to block the vaccine.  I wouldn’t worry too much since the vaccines have less than 2% absolute effectiveness rate and it sure doesn’t feel like any of this is based in real science.

  • Thu, Jun 10, 2021 - 09:34am   (Reply to #2)

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    What happens when you take a COVID vaccination while you’re on Ivermectin

Thanks, Kathy.

I wasn’t actually worried since I have little faith in the vaccines for the reason you stated.

And I had the same thought as you about people who are vaccine hesitant taking IVM to attempt to prevent dangerous long term effects.  I really feel for those healthcare workers on two week unpaid suspension for refusing to be vaccinated.

  • Thu, Jun 10, 2021 - 09:49am   (Reply to #2)

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    What happens when you take a COVID vaccination while you’re on Ivermectin

I’m sure like many on this board I have run through all the options and reasons.

What are the risks to caving to governmental pressure and just getting the vaccine?

Which vaccine is the “safest” or most easily blocked?

What information would make me comfortable taking the vaccine?

I really feel for the people who are losing their jobs for refusing the vaccine.  And then what is going to happen when big pharma claims they need a booster? Or a vaccine to some other illness?

And then I go down the rabbit hole of how will they continue to track all this as different vaccines need boosters at different times and how will they deal with those for which vaccines don’t work (people on immunosuppressants) or who have natural immunity?  Especially since the vaccine doesn’t prevent disease or transmission.

Which leads me to the believe that this about control.  A simple handwritten vaccine card isn’t going to be enough “proof” that you are properly immune.  They are going to claim they need some electronic medical database that can be accessed by employers, TSA, schools and gosh knows who else.

 

  • Thu, Jun 10, 2021 - 10:16am

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    What happens when you take a COVID vaccination while you’re on Ivermectin

I just guessing here but I think the injected mRNA spike proteins would have had time to alert the immune system without gross replication. The ivermectin simply binds to the proteins. Even if you get zero immunity from the vaccine you have many options for treatment if you get COVID-19. Then your immune system will be on the alert for more than just the spike proteins.
I would not waste a moment’s thought on it.

  • Thu, Jun 10, 2021 - 11:29am

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    I can give you one very specific answer to this question KathyP

It is likely that the IVM either partially or completely disabled the function of the J&J vaccine that you took.

I don’t know if you have seen the posts – they might be behind the paywall and I don’t recall if you are there, but there has been some discussion on a topic called, “vaccine prophylaxis”, which is the purposeful disabling of the vaccine effects.  One of the leading voices in this area is an independent researcher named Adam Gaertner, who happened to be among the earliest voices positing that IVM should work against the new virus.

Adam is a very smart guy.. here’s his twitter.  His posts (and an associated video presentation) regarding vax prophylaxis were posted a few weeks ago.  I know the gist of it and I will post below.

Point #1)  Adam’s scheme was targeted only at the J&J, adenovirus-vectored vaccine.  Why?  Because this vaccine, in order to do it’s job, needs to first survive an initial innate immune response post injection (again, it’s payload is wrapped in a virus, vs lipid nanoparticle which is less likely to be attacked).  Then, the J&J needs to make it’s way both into the cell through the cell wall, AND get it’s DNA payload into the nucleus (before ultimately spitting mRNA back out into the cytoplasm, ending up in the same place as the other vaccines).  Moderna and Pfizer don’t need to go to the nucleus.. their mRNA payloads get right to work in the cytoplasm.  The J&J vaccine has more attack points to make it vulnerable to being disabled.

Point #2)  One of Ivermectin’s modes of action is to impede viral protein nuclear entry, and as discussed above, J&J alone needs to overcome this hurdle in order to do it’s Vax thing.  Adam talked about this in his prophylaxis presentation.  For a more authoritative voice on this, Dr. Marik talked about this as well during one of the most recent FLCCC weekly podcasts where both he and Dr. Kory were bantering back and forth.

I have set this link to the FLCCC video to start up at the point where Marik starts describing the modes of action.  Listen carefully.





  • Thu, Jun 10, 2021 - 11:42am

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    Chris Martenson

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    Re: What happens when you take a COVID vaccination while you’re on Ivermectin

I would hypothesize partial down-regulation of the vaccine response due to (the modeled) direct biding of Ivermectin to the S1 subunits.

Fascinating data I have yet to fully digest here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7652439/

The ivermectin docking site we identified, between the viral spike and the ACE2 receptor, may interfere with the attachment of the spike to the human cell membrane. Our observation is consistent with the findings of Caly et al. and Patel et al. Clinical trials now underway should determine whether ivermectin is an effective treatment for SARS-Cov2 infection.

But my hypothesis is that this down-regulation is only partial because the Ivermectin binding is in a deep cleft in the actual receptor-binding domain (RBD).

The vaccines, on the other hand, include the entire spike protein which is huge.  So presumably you’re making antibodies to whole S subunit.

On the plus side, it means that Ivermectin is also preventing the toxic spike proteins from running about in your blood vessels (to the extent that they are) causing trouble all on their own.

I would consider this a huge positive.  A much lower chance of forming clots would be the hypothesis because Ivermectin would be preventing the toxic spike proteins from “doing their thing.”

You can always get an antibody titer test if you are concerned about protection.  If that’s your bent, I would also spring for the t-cell test to see if you have natural immunity from a past infection (the best kind!).  Many people do, of course, because the Honey Badger Virus is so efficacious at spreading and a huge number of people had either low or no symptom experiences with it.

Of course, it would be even better if there were money &/or interest in getting these answers but, sadly, there isn’t any of either on display at the moment out there in official land.

  • Thu, Jun 10, 2021 - 12:08pm

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    What happens when you take a COVID vaccination while you’re on Ivermectin

On the plus side, it means that Ivermectin is also preventing the toxic spike proteins from running about in your blood vessels (to the extent that they are) causing trouble all on their own.

It would be hard to quantify this, but I would think, there would be a likely benefit of taking Ivermectin with the vaccine.

Of course, it would be even better if there were money &/or interest in getting these answers but, sadly, there isn’t any of either on display at the moment out there in official land.

Very sad that questions that should be asked are not being asked.  $$ are in treatments that can be sold, not in lives that are actually saved, or even health that is maintained.  We will likely never have the answers we deserve.

  • Thu, Jun 10, 2021 - 12:23pm

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    What happens when you take a COVID vaccination while you’re on Ivermectin

This is a great conversation all around.

When you strip away all the fear based reporting, the pharma money, the loss of rights etc etc etc you are left with the need to make decisions based on risk/reward.

That T-Cell testing sounds like it would be really great, but if I get a negative result, I’m only gonna end up asking all my son’s school aged friends to cough on me until I can get a positive result.

Can’t wait until the MSM “fact check” articles come out warning about “whackos” who want to neutralize the vaccine.   I will be one of them of course but it could be another vector to attack ivermectin in popular culture.

Watch for this headline in future:  “Disproven covid cure now repurposed to extend pandemic emergency”

  • Thu, Jun 10, 2021 - 06:16pm

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    What happens when you take a COVID vaccination while you’re on Ivermectin

I am new here. Hello everbody. I am a black man who wonders if vaxines are worse for me or better than for white people. thanx

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