“We’re gonna need more Ivermectin”

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  • Wed, Apr 14, 2021 - 10:26am

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    wotthecurtains

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    “We’re gonna need more Ivermectin”

So, as much “fun” as it is to speculate on death, skin peeling etc from the vaccines, the bad outcome most expected by this armchair epidemiologist is Antibody Dependent Enhancement.   Chris covered this possibility and the trails with an mRNA vaccine developed for the original SARS proving the risk.

It always seemed to me like the most plausible bad outcome of rushing these vaccines.  So I’ve been keeping my eyes peeled for stories like this:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/covid-19-vaccine-hospital-new-brunswick-epidemiologist-1.5983764

Maybe the sample size here is so small that we are in fluke territory.  Still the story is that experts are mystified and the one obvious culprit (aside from vaccines not effective) isn’t even mentioned as a possibility.  It reminds me of the stories about the experts being  mystified about lower death rates per million in all the places where Ivermectin (and other things) are used.  Those substances are not mentioned at all in those stories.  It’s just a straight up mystery.

Here is what I’m wondering about now:

Another PP’er messaged me recently about how I could acquire a seemingly excessive amount of veterinary grade Ivermectin and I’m having second thoughts about what could be considered excessive if ADE turns out to be a real issue.

Like most here I struggle to make the most of my intuition without getting tied to any particular “conspiracy theory”, but am now fully in the camp that Covid ain’t going nowhere and even if it did, the restrictions ain’t going nowhere.   So when sometime tells me their Ivermectin is good till 2023, my immediate reaction is “OK, so that buys me a little time”.

I know we have no proof at all that Ivermectin would help someone vaccinated who then contracts a variant, but this seems like yet another “common sense to try until we have other evidence” scenario.  And obviously the various other substances known to treat covid that are of no interest to SCIENCE! could all be brought to bear as well.

Anyone else seeing early hints of ADE out there?

 

  • Wed, Apr 14, 2021 - 11:25am

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    agitating prop

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    “We’re gonna need more Ivermectin”

Wott,

I am interested in variants being able to resist all attempts at vaccination.  I also wonder if the recent extreme spikes of covid cases in Brazil and India indicate the virus is learning  (evolving is a better term) to evade treatments like ivermectin, much like antibiotic resistance in ‘superbugs.’

Then, of course, there is the rush to market of the vaccines which is problematic for many reasons. I am delaying vaccination until I know more and may decide to take my chances with covid. It’s really hard to figure out what to do in a dynamic situation, where there’s so much conflicting information, while the virus itself is mutating.

The best course of action is preventative, like controlling weight, avoiding diabetes, sunshine, good food, avoiding stress to the degree that is possible.

This problem will resolve itself when it becomes accepted as endemic–another very bad cold, which may continue to kill the very very old.

Most people will not accept ongoing social distancing and masking up forever. At the very most, another 6 months of that routine and then major rioting everywhere if governments keep pushing for it.

Very interesting and measured discussion here about Mrna vaccines from the Dark Horse podcast.  Looks safe on paper, but so many questions about how it will play out in real life.

There is proprietary information regarding corporate ownership of the vaccine, that is not available to open scientific review.

This means that info about the lipid nano-particles in the mrna vaccines are potentially highly problematic. But the key word is potentially.

Anyway, very worthwhile to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifPjaVL_1yw

  • Wed, Apr 14, 2021 - 01:07pm

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    Netlej

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    “We’re gonna need more Ivermectin”

Who is dying? The sick and elderly are dying. 99%of everyone else in not, especially if they have solid nutritional levels like Vit D,C,A,B, and zinc.

I have been saying this for some time now but vaccines do not make you healthy. In fact they allow you to be very unhealthy but maybe not catch the specific virus targeted by the vax. People who are sick and dying will continue to be sick and dying even after receiving the vax. People who work at getting healthy terrain through the MATH and MASK protocols ARE getting healthy and reducing their potential to catch the virus as well as “long covid” and any of the mutations.

Wearing masks all day, inside and out, locking down, isolating, quarentening, extreme fear and stress all work to make you much less healthy and susceptible to catching something so obviously there will be an uptick as long as we keep doing the WRONG things and not treating people.

From everything I read viruses mutate…that’s just what they do. Most of the time the mutations are working to help the virus live by NOT killing off the host i.e. become less deadly. The most they mutate is a few % where natural immunity from SARS 1 is making people immune from SARS 2 or Covid-19 which is 80% similar to SARS1. The mutation scare thing is Hollywood science fiction. Having said that it is still possible for some serious mutations to occur because of how monumentally effed up this thing is being handled, or someone in a lab somewhere playing around with it.

Try not to get all caught up in the BS surrounding Covid-19.

  • Wed, Apr 14, 2021 - 01:22pm

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    Another highly qualified individual speaks out against the vaccines

In this case an MD, PhD who did reasearch on how viral DNA incorporates into human DNA… a very interesting read.  Here’s the ending;

https://truthunmuted.org/why-i-wont-take-the-johnson-johnson-vaccine-a-scientists-perspective/

…..It is my view that the massive and barely studied global human genetic experiment going on right now is the biological equivalent of a drunk driver, speeding down the highway with impunity at 60 mph — at night without headlights — because he says that “he knows the road.”

Most sensible people are wary about “GMO,” even in food. Now we’re going to genetically modify ourselves? Why? What madness is this?

  • Wed, Apr 14, 2021 - 01:30pm

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    Ivermectin should remain effective

As per Adam Gaertner;

https://covidcandy.net/coronavirus/a-new-mutation-threatens-a-fragile-recovery/

…..Humanity is at a crossroads. If we continue mass vaccination with these half-measure vaccines, we will see more, more infectious and deadlier strains of SARS-CoV-2 evolve. It is not a question of if; it is a question of when. Unlike other times in history, we are fortunate enough to have discovered a plentiful, extraordinarily safe and effective therapeutic[55-68], in ivermectin (among a number of other very promising therapeutics.) Ivermectin is, for a variety of reasons,[21,69-72] highly unlikely to cease being curative, without concerted and deliberate effort to engineer gain of function into a new virus. The people that think they’re being responsible and contributing to “herd immunity” – they are not. The only benefit of the vaccines is that they will likely, temporarily, protect from severe disease and mortality[73], until the next strain emerges. Ivermectin can also accomplish this, with a far lower risk profile, and without inducing an evolutionary arms race against the virus. It has been endorsed and put into practice by many governments, to great results; others, including our own, are actively sabotaging it, publishing fake trials, fake news, and fear, just as was done to HCQ.

  • Wed, Apr 14, 2021 - 02:38pm

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    Chuck in Belize

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    “We’re gonna need more Ivermectin”

Well, Jim,

That’s what I’m banking on. We have to go with what we know.
I’d much rather be on prophylactic IVM + HCQ as well as Vit-D, Niacin, etc. than get any of the so-called “vaccines,” given all that we know right now.

The situation is fluid, of course … one has to digest and adapt to new information.
That’s one thing that distinguishes us here from other clusters of people, I think.

My view, which is always subject to new information of course, is that IVM is convincing as (1) an anti-viral and (2) as an immuno-regulator.  Vitamin D3 is convincing (to me) simply for the reason that D3 deficiency is so strongly correlated with bad Covid-19 outcomes.  As is Melatonin with better ones.  We all know the drill.  So far, nobody has nailed it better than FLCCC has done, as I see things.
No better information source has emerged than PP posters, Dr. Campbell, and a few others we’ve seen references to recently.

Lord Knows .. we ALL know we won’t get anything useful from CNN, CBS, ABC, Fox, MSN, OANN …   most of the time I just look at those for hidden clues about
what NOT to think.

My sincere wish — Are You Listening, Chris? — is for our stalwart Information Scout to be back on the job.  As soon as possible.  Please.  Seriously. We need you.

I seriously doubt if I’m the only member who feels this way.
Chris ??  Hello ???

— Chuck

  • Wed, Apr 14, 2021 - 02:49pm

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    Canuck21

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    Exercise

I just read (sorry can’t remember where) that physical passiveness is a significant risk factor for covid. A great reason to get off the sofa, out of the office chair, and move!

Really, there are so many ways to stave off this disease now if we catch it early and take responsibility for our own health, as people did in the old days. That’s what the sheeple are not doing — they are outsourcing their responsibility and their decision making. Totally passivized.

  • Wed, Apr 14, 2021 - 03:03pm

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    Canuck21

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    FLCCC starts in 1 hour

Just a heads up, this week’s FLCCC live webinar starts in one hour. This week’s guests:

Joining Dr. Pierre Kory and host Betsy Ashton will be Drs. Jose Morgenstern and Jose Redondo of the Dominican Republic. They will share a remarkable story of how they discovered the efficacy and safety of ivermectin for COVID-19 in April, 2020. In fact, they have been giving ivermectin in the ER ever since. They will also share the remarkable results of their new study on ivermectin.

The chat is live and a valuable bonus.

Register on their website

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  • Wed, Apr 14, 2021 - 03:11pm

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    agitating prop

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    “We’re gonna need more Ivermectin”

Brett Weinstein and Heather Heying speak out on behalf of ivermectin and against Big Pharma narrative control. Dark Horse podcast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZqHvO37s7c

  • Wed, Apr 14, 2021 - 05:10pm

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    wotthecurtains

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    “We’re gonna need more Ivermectin”

” they are outsourcing their responsibility and their decision making. Totally passivized.”

I wonder which idea the “normies” would find more offensive or far-fetched:

– There are many safe, cheap treatments for Covid, some of which are near perfect in some situations and no health authority in the West cares”

– When this all comes out in the wash, people will realize that outside a minority of identifiably vulnerable people, bad Covid outcomes was more or less a matter of vitamin deficiency”

Of course both statements above are oversimplified, but in a soundbite world they are more truthish than anything in the mainstream.

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