We will all be like the Amish

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  • Fri, Oct 10, 2008 - 02:33am

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    krogoth

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    I agree with what you say

I agree with what you say, but I feel more comfortable knowing that I have a gun than not. Of course the government can crush an uprising, and they have plans for civil unrest in place, even using the military. The big question is, will they do it? Will they fight against people who are hungry, broke, getting foreclosed on or can’t find work? How will the military react when they too may be facing the same if not worse economic woes? Or the police for that matter? I don’t think it will be a war within our country because too many are on the shit side of this situation. The government better realize this quick because the majority is not the wealthy few. We still hold the power, just too many of us are asleep or misinformed. Once they get slapped a few more times, they will wake up.

  • Fri, Oct 10, 2008 - 01:12pm

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    Agreed

I feel more comfortable having a gun also, but that’s because there are a lot of yahoos out there who will get stupid if and when the sh*t hits the fan.  I don’t want to be at their mercy.

As far as what the military would do in the event of a societal breakdown, I think most would back the gov’t.  One of the dangers of having a professional military as we do today is that the individual soldier identifies more strongly with his/her unit and pride in status than the citizen soldier.  Today’s military is different than the military I served in during Vietnam in that they are more highly trained and dedicated to the military.  I suspect they would view any type of uprising as a threat to social stability that needs to be put down. 

  • Thu, Oct 23, 2008 - 01:04am

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    Re: Amish

I also live near a large Amish community and have had many business dealings with them over a period of 40 years.  The one thing I always notice about them is their feet.  They are able to make every other piece of clothing, but they ALWAYS wear store bought footwear.  This raises a red flag for me.  I don’t think that we make any shoes in the U.S. anymore.  If you are preparing for a time when goods are unavailable, don’t forget SHOES.

  • Thu, Oct 23, 2008 - 06:25pm

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    MONEY – Is the oppiate of the masses.

Hey KR, I could not agree more, as I mentioned weeks ago about living like the Amish – when our society may need to return to a less consumer based economy. I gather you you have no children? (family was not mentioned).

The Amish work because they share common faith and family values that have been proven over millenium.Values most have rejected to pursue personal riches. There is not likely any way that ‘modern’ city culture can band together during a crisis, when all they share is immediate gratification paganistic motives fueled by greed – they generally know too little about being part of a community.

The more we own, the more our possesions take of your time, as they require work to earn them, and time to maintain or keep replacing them. There is a need for margin in our lives, not just in finance to absorb shocks, but more importantly in time to spend with our family, and strangers in need of support. If one is working to the max for personal gain, they typically have no margin for important things.

Ironic KR. A paganist now ‘preaches’ (selective bible orgin), values you rejected most of your life. Congratulations! (no offence intended) The older we get, the wiser we can become. I pray you live long enough to find faith in more than the pursuit of money and possessions. MONEY – Is the oppiate of the masses. There is hope for us all.  Smile

  • Fri, Oct 24, 2008 - 01:35pm

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    Re: We will all be like the Amish

The great thing about freedom is that if you want to live simply like the Amish you can, and if you want to work more conventionally and amass wealth and modern comforts and "toys" you can do that too, and nobody forces you to do one or the other.

Unfortunately we have neither. It is very hard to live simply in peace, because goverenment gunmen turn up to compel you to obey their laws and pay them tribute. The Amish had a helluva job to get out of the "Social Security" scheme which Chris shows to be doomed; they won that battle, and I think the one about the draft, but does anyone know whether they won others? – the income tax? Prop tax? Inheritance tax (which could destroy them!) School attendance laws?

But for similar reasons it’s also hard to work and prosper; almost half of everything is taxed away and the money stolen is used to do us all manner of damage. Those who do "make it" are increasingly despised as greedy objects for extra, punitive taxation and all are forced to use a monopolized paper-money system that, again, Chris shows is doomed. Indeed, if all his Course is correct, thanks largely to government meddling everyone is going to have to live simply whether we want to or not!

Personally, I don’t wish to live simply, I am sold on material progress and prosperity including the healthier, longer lives that it has all brought – but my point here is that government will not leave us alone to make either choice.

Will it?

  • Fri, Oct 24, 2008 - 02:32pm

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    Re: We will all be like the Amish

The only way the government will leave us alone is if we join together and fight this corruption. It’s not that we don’t have the power, we do. We just don’t have the bulk of Americans educated enough to even give a damn about this. They care about gas prices and if they need 4 cars or can do with 3. America is sleeping and nothing will happen until enough Americans are fed up, beat up, and broken and then they will be ready for a battle, our 2nd battle for freedom. The second revolution. 

 

 

 

 

 

  • Fri, Oct 24, 2008 - 03:41pm

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    Religion – Is the oppiate of the masses.

 

 

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Ironic KR. A paganist now ‘preaches’ (selective bible orgin), values you rejected most of your life. Congratulations! (no offence intended) The older we get, the wiser we can become. I pray you live long enough to find faith in more than the pursuit of money and possessions. MONEY – Is the oppiate of the masses. There is hope for us all.  Smile

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OK you know nothing about my background, but to tell you to ease your mind and get you to not label me a "pagan" LOL I was raised in a strict Roman Catholic family. You don’t know what I have rejected or accepted, and religion is something I usually keep to myself. But since you brought it up, here we go.

Praying, hoping, having faith, crying or whatever will not help this situation. It’s not the end of days, it’s not Jesus coming back, its not the Antichrist, its just a bunch of greedy politicians and bank executives robbing the entire country and the world. I really feel sorry for religious people here that seem to think neglect of the situation and turning to faith at this historical time is the answer. I don’t need selective bible verse to understand what is happening. I suppose you won’t share what faith you are, but I am just taking an educated guess based on your response as Baptist, or maybe a Christian, or just a born again. Whatever. It does not matter to me because I don’t judge ANYONE based on the belief’s they have or don’t have. I believe in the TRUTH first, and getting the truth as much as I can. Your not right about money, it’s not the opiate of the masses, it’s the God of the masses for the last 100 years. Your church or whatever revolves around it, as all religions do. People collect it as much as they can. And greed is the word for the super rich. I too hope we all live long lives, all of us. I hope we can live with tolerance and respect for each other, not combine politics and religion, and not judge anybody, which is actually in your belief, Gods job.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  • Sat, Oct 25, 2008 - 12:25am

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    Re: We will all be like the Amish

Much of this when it comes down to survival is really social rather than technology or other things.

 

Ever see the movie Threads (you can see it online). Well it was a nuclear war film that went one year later and then ten years later. The ending eventually showed scenes where people were fighting over just pieces of bread. We can’t let it get to that point. 

  • Sat, Oct 25, 2008 - 08:47am

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    Re: We will all be like the Amish

I have seen it, and it’s a sad vision of the future. I won’t, WE won’t let it ever get to that point. We owe it to our children and ourselves to right all of these wrongs, to reassess our lives and protect the future for everyone.

 

 

 

 

 

  • Sat, Oct 25, 2008 - 01:09pm

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    Re: We will all be like the Amish

[quote=Liberator] Unfortunately we have neither. It is very hard to live simply in peace, because goverenment gunmen turn up to compel you to obey their laws and pay them tribute. The Amish had a helluva job to get out of the "Social Security" scheme which Chris shows to be doomed; they won that battle, and I think the one about the draft, but does anyone know whether they won others? – the income tax? Prop tax? Inheritance tax (which could destroy them!) School attendance laws? [/quote]

The Amish do pay property taxes, but they avoid sales and income taxes by bartering.  Although barter is technically taxable, the gov’t basically chooses to look the other way.  Our Amish community is located in a poor area (an area of Appalachia) and the Amish maintain their properties and provide goods and services in ways that benefit the overall economy and attract tourists.  The land values are low in this area, making property taxes low.  The various levels of government have apparently chosen to turn a blind eye to their tax evasions.

They only go to school to the 8th grade, so they have basic math skills and they learn their occupational skills through a kind of internship.  Curiously, those are precisely the skills that will be needed if we undergo a real societal breakdown, but that few in the non-Amish community possess.  Oh, and don’t forget the heavy labor.  Not many in the larger society are physically tough enough to do much of the work necessary to support the "simple" lifestyle that the Amish live.

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