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  • Tue, Mar 26, 2019 - 07:57pm

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    DavidSV

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    Info on China's Strategic Resource Long-Game

Suggest either finding authors or sources that could nicely enumerate the strategic moves China has been making in securing natural resource, rare/high-industial-value metals and especially in the area of energy.security.   Something more current than the following, but similar-ish …

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12300066-winner-take-all
https://www.politics-prose.com/book/9780465029099

 

MM-

I have to say I agree with Doug here.  I’ve grown tired of sorting out truth from fiction all on my own.  My brain is just too small for such a task.  I really need someone else to take the lead and curate the Peak Prosperity posts for me.  I’ve given up on Trusting Myself.  It was a noble sentiment, but doomed to failure because I’m just too dull-witted to sort things out for myself.

Boy, I sure feel better having made that admission.

🙂

Maybe I should move this to the “teasing Doug” thread.

  • Tue, Mar 26, 2019 - 09:54pm   (Reply to #8)

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    Grover

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    The Model Works

Doug wrote:

I suggest that blatantly untrue posts be identified and called out by the managers of the site.

Frankly Doug,

I hope Chris and Adam keep doing what they have been doing. I don’t want them to stoop to censorship. That’s a full time job in itself. Once they crack that door, they’ll have to consider if a speculative post fits with their personal values (just thoughts or feelings – no facts – this post fits that description exactly.) The slope gets pretty slippery really fast.

It’s better to have them be the scouts and give their insights on items that the rest of us may not be aware even exist. Let the people who congregate here be the vigilantes. You, I, and others have performed this service when we find something egregious. That model works well.

Chris and Adam have posted their rules of engagement. As long as people remain within the rules, the conversation flows. It is very rarely that they’ve had to respectfully ask a user to stop. They’re not trying to censor the person as much as they are trying to rein someone who has strayed outside the bounds of respectable intercourse.

Even though you and I rarely agree, I appreciate your input. If I just wanted an echo chamber, I’d go elsewhere. If Chris and Adam start censoring (following your recommendation,) I’ll stop coming here. The very thing that made this site special will be destroyed.

Grover

  • Tue, Mar 26, 2019 - 11:45pm

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    davefairtex

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    censorship at PP

Grover-

I agree with you that having as little topic censorship as possible here is the best way to go.

The main issue is that most if not all of the “normal” topics we talk about here must necessarily slip outside of society’s Overton Window, otherwise PP itself would have no reason to exist, since all the topics here would just be accepted wisdom and Don Lemon would be talking about Peak Net Energy, and CNN would have a new “bombshell” every 5 minutes about the latest decline rates in shale wells.

I think the real reason some people want Chris and Adam to run around keeping the site free from “some topics” may be because they are afraid to be caught reading the site by their friends because they worry they are going to be labeled as conspiracy nutjobs.

Others here feel that we are already so far outside society’s Overton Window that one more Sandy Hook post won’t make a difference one way or the other.  That’s kind of where I am.  Besides, who am I to say what’s true and what’s not?  If the press lies about every war we ever got into, and all of the topics we talk about here – critical topics – are more or less completely ignored; banking, sickcare, money creation, education – why on earth should I trust what they say about anything?  Seriously, the breach of trust has been so profound, I have to put a question mark on top of everything they say.  In truth, I’m more than a little annoyed at having been lied to so consistently and for so long.

That’s why I find the prospect of censorship so disagreeable.

Which brings me back to Trust Yourself, which is really the philosophy I can get behind.

There.  I like this positive statement better than my previous negative statement.

  • Wed, Mar 27, 2019 - 04:07am

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    Michael_Rudmin

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    Hmm… I like the overton window theory.

I hadn’t been aware of it.

But I would order it a little differently:

Reference wikipedia:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

Popular

Unthinkable
Radical
Acceptable
Sensible
(?)
(?)
Sensible
Acceptable
Radical
Unthinkable

Policy
Policy
Policy
Policy…

  • Wed, Mar 27, 2019 - 04:17am

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    brianwilliams82

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    I agree with the request

I agree with the request above for a closer look into 5G. This is being pushed hard and there already seems to be (anecdotal?) evidence of tree ‘culls’ in major urban areas to make way for the signals.

On a vaguely related note, I’d like to broach the subject of chemtrails. It seems (on the surface) to be the ultimate looney bin conspiracy theory but is there honestly any grain of truth in It?

I can understand completely any potential PP unwillingness to go down the road of proving/disproving conspiracies but, hey, you asked! 🙂

  • Wed, Mar 27, 2019 - 12:57pm

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    SmartTripper

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    Interview Chuck Marohn of StrongTowns

In addition to all the predicaments that will be challenging people around the world, of which Chris writes so well, we here in North American can add our failed experiment with the suburban development pattern.  As if peak oil, declining resources, poisoned soil and water, climate change, unfathomable debt levels, etc. were not bad enough, we’ve also built millions of miles of roads, bridges, sewer and water infrastructure that we can’t afford to maintain.  The suburban development pattern doesn’t bring in enough tax revenue to pay for itself.

This topic is thoroughly explored by StrongTowns, an organization founded by Charles Marohn.  What Chis is for the three E’s, Chuck is for the surburban development model.  There are many parallels betwen your work.  Indeed, I found Peak Prosperity through John Michael Greer and Kunstler.  But I found those guys through Chuck.

I’m including this link to one of Chuck’s blog posts.  Like you Chris, it’s hard to find a single blogpost that provides the perfect intro to his writing, but this one illustrates the complexity and nuance of Chuck’s writing.  This post also includes links to some of his early posts.  If you have the patience to follow even a few of his links, you’ll get a great intro.

https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2015/4/6/loose-threads

I would love to see you interview Chuck.  I’m guessing a significant portion of the PP community are already familiar with his ideas, but many others could benefit from his insight.

  • Thu, Mar 28, 2019 - 04:05am   (Reply to #16)

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    I can immediately suggest a chemtrail possibility…

You asked is there any truth, with regards to what we would like to see.

Honestly, I’m one of those who would not like to go down that path, but here is some obvious initial truth for you:

When you burn plastics, you get PolyAromatic Hydrocarbons: not synonymous but close enough, I could say you get dioxins. They are extremely toxic.

I suspect some of the additives in fuel, and some of the additives in crop sprays, may include such polymers. So there’s definitely a possibility there.

Mostly, the contrails of aircraft are a mix of condensation from the wing vortices, and whatever comes out the back end of the plane. It might not be something you want to breathe.

One jet, probably isn’t a problem. A jet every six hours… starts to be. Multiply that by the number of jet paths we have…

… yeah, I could see it being an issue.

As for the really extreme chemtrail events, do you think a pilot with a load of extra pesticide he doesn’t want to store over the winter, might not just take it up moderately high, and spray it, then throw it into the customer’s bill?

  • Fri, Mar 29, 2019 - 04:57pm

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    DavidSV

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    Interview/Story on Aquaponics

An interview and an article or two about Aquaponics.   Aquaponics is a cross between aquaculture (raising fish, etc in tanks) and hydroponics in a symbiotic, closed looped system where only fish food and occasional adding of water are the inputs.  Then lots of greens and fish for food are the rewards along with vermi compost on the side.   There are lots of examples of backyard-in-greenhouse systems and there are now successful commercial aquaponics in urban setting farms, including one of the oldest just south of San Francisco.

  • Sun, Mar 31, 2019 - 05:53am   (Reply to #8)

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    Glass Ceilings : The Cultural Cul-de-sac

Doug wrote:

I suggest that blatantly untrue posts be identified and called out by the managers of the site.

Hi Doug,

sorry I’m late in my reply, but I just had to intercede with what came after your post that I’ve quoted.

Frankly, I’m somewhat angered and disgusted at the comments directed toward you, but not entirely suprised by them.

There often appears to be quite a smug dereliction from fact posing for truth as clickbate. With this reasoning, that is where I believe the glass ceiling of this site meets its marker – a near impossible feat, because to police it involves questioning what has leached into the thought structures in the belief systems of the people of the United States of America.

Whatever comes from what is understood from the transcript to the video below, will be determined by what has leached into the cultural belief system of each and every member of Peak Prosperity that happen to trip over this post, and the terribly small number of people that would choose to post a reply.

Somewhat damning really, considering what this site is supposed to be doing in the attempt …

Marr: “If the press is a censoring organisation, tell me how that works. Is it… You’re not suggesting that proprietors phone one another up [Chomsky: No] Or that many journalists get their copies spiked as we say?”

Chomsky: “It’s a, well actually, Orwell you may recall has an essay called ‘Literary censorship in England’, which was supposed to be the introduction to Animal Farm except that it never appeared. And which he points out, look, I’m writing about a totalitarian society but in free democratic England it’s not all that different. And then he says, unpopular ideas can be silenced without any force. [Marr: How? {inaudible}] He gives a two sentence response, which is not very profound, but captures it2. He says two reasons, first the press is owned by wealthy men who have every interest in not having certain things appear, but second the whole educational system from the beginning on through just gets you to understand that there are certain things you just don’t say. Well, spelling these things out, that’s perfectly correct. I mean, the first sentence is what we expanded on…”

Marr: “This is what I don’t get, because it suggests that – I mean I’m a journalist – people like me are self-censoring.”

Chomsky: “No, not self-censoring. You’re, there’s a filtering system, that starts in kindergarten, and goes all the way through, and it’s not going to work 100% but it’s pretty effective. It selects for obedience, and subordination, and especially I think… [Marr: So stroppy people won’t make it to positions of influence] There’ll be behavioural problems. If you read applications to a graduate school you’ll see that people will tell you, he’s not, he doesn’t get along too well with his colleagues, you know how to interpret those things.”

Marr: “I’m just interested in this because I was brought up like a lot of people, probably post-Watergate film and so on to believe that journalism was a crusading craft and there were a lot of disputatious, stroppy, difficult people in journalism, and I have to say, I think I know some of them.”

Chomsky: “Well, I know some of the best, and best known investigative reporters in the United States, I won’t mention names, {inaudible}, whose attitude towards the media is much more cynical than mine. In fact, they regard the media as a sham. And they know, and they consciously talk about how they try to play it like a violin. If they see a little opening, they’ll try to squeeze something in that ordinarily wouldn’t make it through. And it’s perfectly true that the majority – I’m sure you’re speaking for the majority of journalists who are trained, have it driven into their heads, that this is a crusading profession, adversarial, we stand up against power. A very self-serving view. On the other hand, in my opinion, I hate to make a value judgement but, the better journalists and in fact the ones who are often regarded as the best journalists have quite a different picture. And I think a very realistic one.”

Marr: “How can you know that I’m self-censoring? How can you know that journalists are..”

Chomsky: “I’m not saying your self censoring. I’m sure you believe everything you’re saying. But what I’m saying is that if you believe something different, you wouldn’t be sitting where you’re sitting.”

Finn

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