Washing fresh fruits and veggies to disinfect against Covid19
Could anyone please suggest how to disinfect fresh fruits and veggies against Covid19? I’m naturally concerned about the food that is sold by farmers that have already been picked. Did anyone come across PubMed studies on a good sterilization method? I would not want to cook fruits and veggies because you are losing benefits, found through the studies on PubMed. Don’t have access to them now, but there a few studies, cooking and canning would cause a significant reduction in the benefits of consuming these foods.
Wash them in a bath of vinegar and (non-chlorinated) water? I’m not sure, but PP member dtremmal (sp?) may have some info on this. You could send him a PM (via your inbox/account) for more detailed information that he may have collected earlier in the year as the PP tribe was grappling with similar concerns. Best to you, Mav12.
In this PP article vinegar and vegetables is #7
The University of Alberta Canada, which is a good school, at least it was when I went there 1981/2, discussed use of vinegar to kill SARS 2 virus.
Global Edmonton put some cleaning questions to Dr. David Evans, a professor in the department of Medical Microbiology & Immunology at the University of Alberta.
Q: Is vinegar and water an effective disinfectant?
A: Probably not. Although acids will inactivate viruses (vinegar is acetic acid), it’s quite dilute and the pH isn’t likely low enough.
I think I have been hyper-vigilent and here is my routine.
Shopping in person.
- I use two masks – a 95 and then a cheap mask sprayed with alcohol and tea tree or clove or peppermint oil. I use gloves also. I wear air tight goggles in the store.
- I carry in my car two spray bottles – one a 10% chlorine water and the other my 70% alcohol with 2-3% essential oils as above.
- I carry only a glad ziplock with credit card. Car keys in pocket.
- My masks stay on until I am home. No drinking, nothing. I do not touch them at all. I am only allowed out two hours a day – three times a week – by law here.
When I put the bags in the car,
- 1 open windows of car
- 2 spray the chlorospray on the shoe bottoms
- 3 spray the alcohol essential spray all over the bags from the store
Arriving Home with Groceries
- Cloroxwipe car inside anything I touched as a minimum. Door, wheel, gearshift, window opener/AC/brake/seatbelt/keys etc…..
- Good spray of alcohol spray in AC vents especially and all over car/seat etc.
- Leave car not to return for minimum two days and the car sits in 90F heat.
Carry bag/boxes to garage. Keys on table and spray keys again.
(If you have small children/ dogs/cats etc that may stiff around then leave the things where the children/pets cannot reach them until they are decontaminated) ……
- Spray down with chlorospray.
- Leave for several hours.
- I chlorospray my shoes leave them at the bin by the door and go DIRECT into the shower. Clothes binned for the wash and I wash my hair also. Towel used direct to laundry.
- In the shower, I put shampoo on my hair first so that the water running from my (potentially contaminated) hair is soapy as I dont want water running from my hair into my mouth or nose before it is soapy…
- After my shower…several hours later -I dont CARE of the damn lettuce gets a bit wilted, leave the stuff for a good while – even overnight if you can.
- With gloves, I then take bags to laundry sink area in garage also
- Spray floor where bags touched with chlorospray.
- All cardboard or paper packages are put on a chair and sprayed with chlorospray on all sides and left for 24 hours minimum before touching.
- All other groceries are put under a good force of water and washed with a sponge and dishsoap. I use warm water.
- All fruits and vegetables are also washed with dishsoap. Blister packages are opened and all produce in the package is washed and put into clean ziplocks.
- All packaging is put in trash immediately.
- If using fabric shopping bags then into the washer immediately. Dry on clothes line three or more days in humid heat.
Each thing going into my house is washed or sprayed. E V E R Y T H I N G.
This takes me hours and I won’t lie it is a pain in the …..
…..BUT ….seeing as early on Dr. Chris M said “Make your home a green zone”
I took that advice seriously and have done so as best as I can.
To me, this is a massive lesson in discipline, staying centered and paying attention.
It is in fact a form of Yoga…
It is nice to not bother about washing the groceries.
It is nicer to breathe.
When I tell my friends to follow this as won’t hurt…They respond with..
To that I let Yoda respond.
PS I didnt mention a phone because I do not own one. Phones are BIG fomites though so perhaps someone who uses a phone can brief us on the phone protocols and cleaning.
I never ever use chlorine ever. Have never in the past as I used to work on chlorine issues…I also never take prescription meds but am on HCQ now.
As an environmentalist, and natural medicine person, I am more than well aware of the toxic nature of chlorine and the potential dangers of any prescription medicine AND herbal medicine too, and thus normally I use food as medicine and soap water, sunlight and elbow grease as disinfectants.
But I think this virus is man made and thus we have no historical knowledge on which to base,,,well anything…and thus
I am pulling out the big guns with chlorine and HCQ as am doing so because as a risk manager, this makes sense. I do NOT advocate chlorine use normally…..although in the tropics, water supply is risky without…
Also, I forgot to mention my garage and laundry is open air and thus my fervor for the toxic sprays. I tested the essential oil spray on my grass and it burned it out completely in the spot, still no life after 3 weeks…..Essential oils are powerful too.
simple water or use a splash of vinegar or baking soda to get rid of pesticides. The virus is not lethal or as contageous as they sold us so why are people on this list still afraid ? this is a sinister lock down at this point doing so much more damage to our health and well being and the over the top cleaning over dissinfecting is going the way that overuse of antibiotics has- its going to make us and our kids sicker especially wearing masks . we cannot live in plastic bubbles unless you really want to die. go back and watch the true story from the 70s the boy in the plastic bubble. john travolta. too many doctors and heads of hospitals like Alberto Zangrillo in Milan San Raffaele hospital said the virus is not the same as it was 3 months ago it has weakened and burnt out he said on national tv as far as his clinical in hospital labs go he virus is dead in Italy and the govt should stop terrorizing the people…he will only tell the truth. Genoa hospital director said the same…….reminder Italy deaths were due to immediately putting eldlerly on ventilators which wrong treatment killed them needlessly same as elmurst hospital in bronx. too many whistleblower nurses and docs taking to youtube. the masks and social distancing is social engineering and mind control for sick profiteering.
Thank you guys for the follow-up, including Sparky1 and Mary 59 (pretty insightful).
Yes, David thank you. As someone mentioned Vinegar is Acetic Acid, but it’s 5%, we need over 95%. Here, but there are other Chemical Companies that sell https://www.m-chemical.co.jp/en/products/departments/mcc/emulsifier/product/1206180_8006.html (Well it’s Japan).
I came across several studies, PubMed is my go-to source. H2O2 vapor https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7132520/
The machine *Clarus L generator (Bioquell, Horsham, PA, USA)) which is sold out is expensive https://anacapaequipment.com/products/bioquell-clarus-l-hydrogen-peroxide-vapor-generator-td0190041-5621-c
This study dives in, but no tests on food. “0.5% hydrogen peroxide or 0.1% sodium hypochlorite within 1 minute”
CDC, says just cold water and brush, Which apparently they recommend , as vinegar and other acids do not sanitize.. according to them.. but somehow cold water does.
They also say there is low or no chance of getting infected from food – or food products or from restaurant prepared foods. And that the virus does not grow on foods .. yes, that was the cdc statement regarding food ..
What a joke rinse with water. no vinegar. and no you cant get infected from foods because it doesnt grow on foods. WOW! amazing these people even have a basic 8th grade education.. CDC is an authority of nothing. its a propaganda machine.
I’m wondering what Chris Martenson thinks. Can’t imagine he grows all food, fruits..
Ahhh, the studies…
“Similarly to SARS-CoV and MERS coronaviruses, studies for SARS-CoV-2 showed that the virus is highly stable at 4 °C, and it is expected to have similar behavior to its predecessors at freezing temperatures, meaning it could remain infectious at −20 °C for up to 2 years (WHO, 2020b). However, as previous studies demonstrated, coronaviruses are thermolabile: SARS-CoV can be inactivated after incubation for 15 min at >75 °C, while MERS is inactivated after incubation for 1 min at 65 °C (Darnell et al., 2004; Leclercq et al., 2014). In a like manner, SARS-CoV-2 found to be inactive after 5 minutes incubation at 70 °C (Chin et al., 2020). These outcomes suggest that normal cooking temperatures (>70 °C) are sufficient for viral inactivation, but transmission from frozen food may still be possible; this is why thorough hand washing after handling raw food is imperative. Furthermore, the likelihood is even lower for foods (packaged or not) that are shipped over days at the room, frozen, or refrigerated temperatures (BfR, 2020). Additionally, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), drinking water likewise food, is not considered as a way of the spread of SARS-CoV-2 and the typical water treatment methods are sufficient against the virus (CDC, 2020b; EPA, 2020).”
Also, just exploring some ideas… Buy and dilute 100% (proof) food-grade alcohol, found at alcohol stores, (I do not drink alcohol, by the way). And of course, bleach diluted in water.
“Ethanol concentrations of 60% to 95% (v/v) are deemed safe and effective for disinfection by the United States Food and Drug Administration (US FDA), CDC and the WHO (Boyce et al., 2009, CDC, 2019a, FDA, U.S., 2020, FDA, U.S., 1994), including for use against SARS-CoV-2. Interestingly, Edmonds et al. suggested that the antimicrobial activity of the ABHRs is highly dependent on the choice of formulation (i.e., excipient) rather than on the concentration of alcohol. They also suggested that the liquid, gel and foam-based products can all be equally effective if the ethanol content used was within the 60–95% standard range (Edmonds et al., 2012). However, increasing ethanolic concentrations of hand rubs from 80% to 85% (v/v) can reduce the contact time necessary to achieve an efficient bactericidal activity (Suchomel et al., 2012; Eggerstedt, 2013; Wilkinson et al., 2017)”