Vanity Fair on The Lab-Leak Theory

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  • Fri, Jun 11, 2021 - 03:08pm

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    davefairtex

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    I have an idea!

jerryr-

Ok.  To summarize – you just want me to spend more time and energy engaging the trolls.

1) “Carl is a CCP troll!” => “Gee, Carl, you seem to have a bias in favor of CCP viewpoints. Let’s talk about that!”

And –

2) “Even if they are getting paid 50 cents a post, they are still human beings. As such, their opinions are subject to change.”

My problem is, I’ve seen so very many of them.  And I only have a limited amount of energy.  My philosophy is: minimum energy for trolls.  I’d much rather spend my time talking with – say – you about interesting topics.  This is because you are an authentic person, and as a result you’re more likely to actually say something interesting.

Hey!  I have an idea!

I will delegate to you the task of engaging the trolls.  That way, we can both get what we want.  I can spend “minimum energy on the trolls”, and you can ensure that the trolls to have a kind, pleasant experience here at the site.

When I spot someone who looks like a troll, I’ll PM you with the link to the post, and you can go engage them in the nicest possible way.  They are, after all, human beings!

What do you say?

  • Fri, Jun 11, 2021 - 03:45pm   (Reply to #21)

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    Ignoring suspected or imagined paid trolls

As someone who briefly posted here a few times several years ago, and was immediately accused of being a Russian troll, I would like that.

  • Sun, Jun 13, 2021 - 10:22am   (Reply to #21)

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    Don’t feed trolls

I will delegate to you the task of engaging the trolls.  That way, we can both get what we want.  I can spend “minimum energy on the trolls”, and you can ensure that the trolls to have a kind, pleasant experience here at the site.

When I spot someone who looks like a troll, I’ll PM you with the link to the post, and you can go engage them in the nicest possible way.  They are, after all, human beings!

What do you say?

Depends on how interesting they are. If they say something that seems worth engaging, I’ll do it!

If I agree with you that they’re some boring bot or 50 cent parrot, I reserve the right to ignore them too. That way we both save time.

  • Sun, Jun 13, 2021 - 11:05am

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    jerryr

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    Vanity Fair limited hangout

I agree that this article is a “limited hangout” or apology offered on behalf of the mass media and Beltway. The underlying assumptions are that all the US players had nothing but good intentions.

Vanity Fair accepts almost unconsciously, that the NIH sponsored gain-of-function research purely for public health purposes, to study possible pandemic pathogens and learn how to react to them. Then they see it as perfectly reasonable that the media branded the lab-leak hypothesis as a “conspiracy theory” because, who are they to question The Lancet?

Not to mention that Trump was and is a pathological chronic liar, so they’re asking our forgiveness for having assumed that the truth was the opposite of whatever he said.

The Chinese are not granted any such benefit of the doubt. There is a continuous drumbeat of accusations against China in this article. Maybe they were just sloppy, or maybe they were doing bioweapons research — but we’re pretty sure this was all their fault and that they’re still lying to us.

In all this discussion about China (coming not only from Vanity Fair but also from Dave Fairtex) there’s an assumption that China is a sovereign nation and an independent entity.

This ignores the possibility that China could be more or less under the thumb of the same multinational billionaires that are plaguing us in the US, Europe and Australia. The Chinese economy is dominated by its exports. Some people say that China is still Communist, but I suspect in many ways it’s a manifestation of end stage Capitalism, which looks a lot like Feudalism.

Could it be that when Apple or Amazon says “Jump”, the CCP says “how high”?

And, the “blame China” game ignores the possibility that the virus was developed at Fort Detrick and released near Wuhan as a frame-up.

Does anybody here read Ron Unz?

https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-george-orwells-virus-lab-leak/

Evidence Favors a Biowarfare Attack Rather Than a Random Lab-Leak

My past articles linked above make my case for an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran) but run many thousands of words. So I am providing below a brief summary of those main points, especially focused upon why the biowarfare scenario seems far more likely that the competing lab-leak hypothesis:

(1) For three years, China had been locked in growing conflict with America over trade and geopolitics, and for three years in a row, China had been hit very hard by mysterious viruses. An Avian Flu virus severely damaged its poultry industry in 2018 and the following year a Swine Flu virus destroyed over 40% of its pig herds, China’s primary meat source. The third year, Covid-19 appeared. Certainly a suspicious pattern if the last were just a random lab-leak.

(2) The Covid-19 outbreak appeared at absolutely the worst time and place for China, the major transit hub of Wuhan, timed almost perfectly to reach high local levels of infection just as the travelers for the Lunar New Year holiday spread the disease to all other parts of the country, thereby producing an unstoppable epidemic. The timing of an accidental lab-leak would obviously be random.

(3) 300 American military servicemen had just visited Wuhan as part of the World Military Games, providing a perfect opportunity for releasing a viral bioweapon. Consider what Americans would think if 300 Chinese military officers had visited Chicago, and immediately afterwards a mysterious, deadly viral disease suddenly broke out in that city. It would be a strange coincidence if that the American military visit and an entirely unrelated accidental lab-leak had occurred at exactly the same time.

(4) The characteristics of Covid-19, including high communicability and low lethality, are absolutely ideal in an anti-economy bioweapon. It seems odd that a random lab-leak would release a virus so perfectly designed to severely damage the Chinese economy.

(5) From almost the very moment that the outbreak began, anti-China bloggers in America and the US-funded Radio Free Asia network had launched a powerful international propaganda offensive against China, claiming that the outbreak in Wuhan was due to the leak of an illegal bioweapon from the Wuhan lab. This may have merely been an exceptionally prompt but opportunistic response of our propaganda organs, but they seemed remarkably quick to take full advantage of an entirely unexpected and mysterious development, which they immediately identified as being due to a lab-leak.

(6) By “the second week of November” our Defense Intelligence Agency had already begun preparing a secret report warning of a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak in Wuhan although according to the standard timeline at that point probably only a couple of dozen people had started experiencing any symptoms of illness in a city of 11 million. How did they discover what was happening in Wuhan so much sooner than the Chinese government or anyone else?

(7) Almost immediately afterwards, the ruling political elites in Iran became severely infected, with many of them dying. Why did the accidental Wuhan lab-leak jump to the Iran’s political elites so quickly, before it had reached almost anywhere else in the world.

  • Thu, Jun 17, 2021 - 02:14pm   (Reply to #25)

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    Re: Does anybody here read Ron Unz?

Yes, I’ve been reading Ron Unz’s site for more than a decade.  It’s a mixed bag but it’s mostly good.

  • Thu, Jun 17, 2021 - 04:46pm   (Reply to #4)

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    Vanity Fair on The Lab-Leak Theory

Dave: They also have an ‘Eric Lutz’ there who’s a real piece of work.

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