Vanity Fair on The Lab-Leak Theory

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 08:09pm

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    Sean_R

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    Vanity Fair on The Lab-Leak Theory

Vanity Fair has a long and very detailed article on the Wuhan lab leak and Washington’s mishandling of its response:

VIRAL INFLECTION
The Lab-Leak Theory: Inside the Fight to Uncover COVID-19’s Origins
Throughout 2020, the notion that the novel coronavirus leaked from a lab was off-limits. Those who dared to push for transparency say toxic politics and hidden agendas kept us in the dark.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins

  • Thu, Jun 10, 2021 - 12:33am

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This Vanity Fair article was a very enlightening article that few people seem to talk about. After reading this article and seeing that even the NSC was involved in covering upI thought about the time Pompeo used the words “We are in a live exercise” during a press conference in March 2020.

Would the ex director of the CIA have misused the term “Exercise” in referring to a real life event like this?

From the “DOD Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms”

“Exercise” — A military maneuver or simulated wartime operation involving planning, preparation, and execution that is carried out for the purpose of training and evaluation.

So we had the following”

August 2019 Crimson Contagion event (Coronavirus outbreak simulation)

October 2019 Event 201 (Coronavirus outbreak simulation)

December 2019  Outbreak in China

March 202 Pompeo say “We are in a live exercise”

The Crimson event estimated 585,000 deaths in the US, the actual stands at 595,000. Could be a coincidence, complete coincidence. Uncanny though.

Pompeos “Live Exercise” comment at  1:08 in this video

  • Thu, Jun 10, 2021 - 04:51am   (Reply to #2)

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    Vanity Fair on The Lab-Leak Theory

– I personally don’t find the phrase “we’re in a live exercise” especially sinister.  He’s saying something like “this is not a drill” or “we’re figuring this out as we deal with it”.

– I hadn’t heard of the August 2019 Crimson Contagion event.  Thanks for that.

– For me, the Vanity Fair piece is interesting as a summary of new (to me) information and as an indicator of what the official narrative may turn out to be.  It describes a massive failure by our technocratic class and I don’t know how they’ll handle that going forward.

 

  • Thu, Jun 10, 2021 - 08:11am

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    native english speakers

So Carl – how much does the CCP pay these days for qualified English speakers?

Asking for a friend.

Sean_R – reasonable article – minus the flood of self-justification for missing the story 14 months ago.  “We hate the Bad Orange Man so very much!”  And they believed Fauci & Friends.  Uncritically.

  • Thu, Jun 10, 2021 - 09:59am

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    The pattern continues.

I’m with Dave. Carl, you:

  1. You create your account within hours of Chris’ videos implicating both the USA and China in the lab leak theory. You make 3 posts to that thread in a several hours.
  2. Every post you have made falls into the category of “China good, USA bad”.
  3. Your posts have evolved to take a more subtle approach that actually got you a positive response and a thumbs up.
  4. Your posts have sometimes involved a subtle or not-so-subtle redirection of the conversation.
  5. You have ignored several people calling you out, instead moving your comments to other threads.

Given this is the internet and I will almost certainly never meet you in person, and, therefore have to make the best of the data I have, my best working assumption is that you are either a paid agent or a stooge of the CCP.

  • Thu, Jun 10, 2021 - 11:05am

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    50 cent army

The slang term for these people is: “the 50 cent army”, transliterated as “Wu Mao.”  If you say something that the CCP doesn’t like, the wu mao will appear, in an attempt to manage perception on behalf of their masters.

We know this because the Great Firewall (and local law) prohibits normal Chinese citizens from connecting to the Internet in the West.  You can get tossed in jail for using a VPN.  From what I understand anyway.

The only Chinese people who make it through to comment – are not normal Chinese civilians.

https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/who-are-chinese-trolls-50-cent-army

It concluded that “50 Centers” are not raging Chinese youth typing furiously away in their moms’ basements, as the stereotype goes, but government bureaucrats in unrelated fields like taxation or sports management, employed overtime to churn out posts allegedly by ordinary citizens.

They are not typical trolls. Instead of arguing about jailed dissidents or naval disputes, they mostly blanket the internet with blandly positive posts. “Almost none of the Chinese government’s 50c party posts engage in debate or argument of any kind,” the Harvard study said.

At least this was the case in 2016.  Before Trump.

Who knows what has happened, 5 years later.  Perhaps they’re all AI now.

All we can say for sure is that the CCP is interested in managing perception in the west about the Lab Leak, with the tagline being:

“Gosh, our two governments are just the same!  Amirite?”

  • Thu, Jun 10, 2021 - 11:13am

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    Vanity Fair on The Lab-Leak Theory

Apparently Carl has deposited his seeds and moved on.  Watch for him in a new thread coming soon to a blog near you.

  • Thu, Jun 10, 2021 - 06:24pm

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    So what if he is CCP?

It wasn’t so long ago when Dave Fairtex concluded that I’m working for the Russians. And in my case, I can assure you it isn’t true. I’m a native born American, Oregon resident, and I can trace my ancestry to the Mayflower.

But, denouncing ‘Carl Johnson’ as a CCP agent, is a purely ad hominem argument.

What he’s saying is that there’s no possible way that the CCP could be responsible for designing the American response to covid-19. They may have inspired the lockdowns. But they couldn’t have made it a license-threatening offense for doctors to prescribe Ivermectin and HCQ in the US, and they couldn’t have made the decision to build the vaccines around the spike protein.

Those are the facts, even if they came straight from Chairman Mao’s ghost.

Here’s another odd fact about ‘Carl Johnson’. His headliner says he’s made 8 posts since joining (yesterday) but I can only find three of them with the site’s search functions. Wasn’t he the one who put forward the argument that this is not China’s fault? If so, I can’t even find those posts anymore.

Has a moderator been censoring ‘Carl Johnson’? Personally I’d say that ‘DaveFairtex’, ‘Quercus bicolor’ and ‘Second Sight’ all deserve to be called out for creating a hostile environment for newcomers.

Moderators, what do you say? Is this OK for ‘tribe members’ to harass newcomers in this way?

 

 

  • Thu, Jun 10, 2021 - 10:04pm

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    And while we’re talking about red-baiting…

Jimmy Dore has been very critical of Dr. Fauci for at least a year now, and he’s been right on top of the FOIA email release. Here he notices that Chuck Todd of MSNBC is engaging in some subtle red-baiting in an interview with Fauci — with a hint that Russians are skeptical of their own government, but Americans are (or should be) more trusting.

 

The internet is a difficult place to ascertain exactly who someone is, whether they have hidden intentions, and if so, what these intentions are.

And yes, it sure matters if Carl Johnson is a CCP agent. It is known that various actors pay people to create false personas and post on the internet to support their agendas.  If he is such a paid poster, he has a hidden agenda, and his posts primary purpose will be to promote this agenda.   If that is the case, they will be at best a distraction from the purpose of this site.

Reading his post #2, what I see is making a case that the pandemic was planned and executed by the United States Federal government (as in China is not responsible – China good, USA bad).  You might want to reread it and see if you agree with me.  I see no mention of  pandemic response or  ivermectin in the post.

I read all of Carl’s posts.  My best guess at this point is that there is enough of a chance that my suspicions are true that my best plan going forward is to read his posts as if they are true.

I do not consider my posts in response to Carl to be ad hominen argument or harrassment.  I stayed away from emotional language and simply pointed to the data that made me suspicious.  I did not claim certainty when no such certainty is possible.  I invited him to defend himself.  He chose not to and instead moved to different threads to post content that continued to fit the pattern I had seen.

I will let Dave and Second Sight speak for themselves.

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