# VAERS Data ?

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• Mon, Jun 21, 2021 - 01:32pm

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#### pali

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#### VAERS Data ?

If you cherry pick data out of context you will base your fears on fiction….

The increase of deaths is in direct correlation to the numbers of vaccinations distributed and normal mortality numbers in the general population.

excerpt from science based medicine

The COVID-19 “Vaccine Holocaust”: The latest antivaccine messaging

So let me repeat what I said three months ago: Whenever you see these sorts of numbers, two questions should come straight to you mind right away. The first is: What’s the denominator? The second is: What is the baseline rate for such adverse events in the population studied? To that I would add a third question: How many deaths occur during the same span of time, absent the intervention? In other words, in a four and a half month period, how many people would normally be expected to die, regardless of the cause? Finally, if you want to get really granular, you can break it down by age. However, a simple, rough, “back of the envelope” calculation will suffice to show how innumerate antivaxxers are when they make this claim about VAERS. But before we do that, let’s take a look at another number. How many people have died of COVID-19 in the US in that same four and a half month period? According to Johns Hopkins, as of May 1, there were approximately 575,000 deaths recorded, compared with around 300,000 in mid-December, meaning that ~275,000 people have died of COVID-19 over the last 4 months.

So how many people die of all causes every year? The CDC states that the yearly number of deaths in the US in 2019 was 2,854,838, for a rate of 869.7 deaths per 100,000 population. In brief, less than 1% of the US population dies every year, and immediately before the pandemic around 7,821 people died each and every day. In a four and a half month period (137 days from December 14, 2020 to April 30, 2021), then, we’d expect there to be approximately 1.07 million deaths, or a rate of approximately 326 per 100,000 population. That’s a lot of deaths. Suddenly, the figure of ~4,000 deaths since mid-December reported to VAERS doesn’t seem like such a big number, does it?

Let’s continue, though. How many people got at least one dose of one of the vaccines during that time period? As of April 30, it was 144.9 million people. In any given random population of 144.9 million people in the US during a given four and a half month period, we’d expect to see ~472,374 deaths. Again, those are big numbers. If we divide by the 137 days encompassed by December 14, 2020 to April 30, 2021, then in such a population we would expect to see 3,448 deaths each and every day during that time period, leaving aside any other sources of excess death.

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• Mon, Jun 21, 2021 - 02:08pm

#12

#### Blaggers

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#### VAERS Data ?

The article from SBM somehow managed not to discuss all the recent adverse events and deaths in 12 to 17 year olds.

This week’s data, from Dec. 14, 2020 to June 11, 2021, for 12- to 17-year-olds show:

6,332 total adverse events, including 271 rated as serious and seven reported deaths among 12- to 17-year-olds.

The most recent reported deaths include a 15-year-old male (VAERS I.D. 1383620) who reportedly died one day after receiving his second Pfizer dose, a 15-year-old male (VAERS I.D. 1382906) who received Pfizer and a 16-year-old male (VAERS I.D. 1386841) who reportedly suffered a hemorrhage and died four days after receiving a Pfizer vaccine. An autopsy is pending.

Other deaths include two 15-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1187918 and 1242573), a 16-year-old (VAERS I.D. 1225942) and one 17-year-old (VAERS I.D. 1199455).

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cdc-vaers-data-deaths-adverse-events-covid-vaccines-including-children/

• Mon, Jun 21, 2021 - 02:48pm

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#### Dontknownothin

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#### VAERS Data ?

Someone else running the numbers with links to their workbooks. I haven’t verified it but may be worth digging through.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/po3ZfD8894GD/

• Mon, Jun 21, 2021 - 03:04pm

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#### Dontknownothin

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#### VAERS Data ?

Well if you want to believe what you’re told then that’s your prerogative. Hopefully you’re right. I’ve done some digging and found hundreds of deaths in several states over a single month period unattributed to covid and still above the baseline pre covid death rate. I suspect they are vaccine related deaths. I’m a skeptic, I’m digging. Hopefully I’m wrong, but I at least get to change my mind later, unfortunately for you, if I and many others here are right, you just have to face the reality of your personal decision. It’s unfortunate, and I feel sympathy for you, but willfully ignoring amateur data because it doesn’t fit the narrative YOU want makes your attitude that much more hypocritical.

I’m wondering what benefit you get from discrediting anyone else? What difference does it make to you or your decisions? I suppose misery loves company so if you do have to endure the horrors that the wildest imaginings of this community can conjur, then I suppose you might want to ensure as many people join you in that outcome. That’s a pretty selfish mindset, and I can imagine you elbowing your way to the front of the vaccine line and explains why you feel compelled to justify your own decision. For me, I’m going to wait, probably indefinitely. Until the deaths and facts and data I suspect is out there finally trickles out and we know the full truth so I can make an educated decision. Until the annecdotes of people spontaneously falling ill of innumerable maladies stop coming in. Until I feel I can trust the very government who is proving daily, wrapped up in a scandal of the century. I’m going to wait. But you should feel free to “do you”.

• Mon, Jun 21, 2021 - 03:30pm

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#### davefairtex

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#### COVID vs VAX deaths, and NNV

COVID Deaths: Anyone who dies after testing positive for COVID is most definitely a COVID death.

Vaccine Deaths: Anyone dying after getting the shot – coincidence.  People die all the time.

When Pharma global annual revenues of hundreds of billions (projected) are involved, some deaths are definitely more equal than the others.  “It’s GOOD to be Pharma.”

Here’s the real point: only old people are at risk from COVID19.  For the young, they have a higher risk of injury or death from the shot, than they do from the disease itself.

I’m really glad that our new poster is numerate.  Let’s see if he can answer this one:

What’s the NNV  for a 20-30 year old age range in order to save one person of that age range from death from COVID19, given the current COVID19 attack rate in the United States?

Same question for 18 year olds.

Same question for 12 year olds.

Same question for 5 year olds.

One more: what does science tell us the under-report rate is for VAERS?

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Gosh I just can’t wait for Mr Numerate.  COVID19 Attack rate: 20k cases per day x 365 days / 350 million people = 2% annual attack rate.  IFR for 5 year olds is 0.001%.  If we assume the shot is 100% effective (which it isn’t) – NNV is 5,000,000.  To save one baby from COVID19, we need to give 5 MILLION babies the experimental shot.

Yes.  Let’s definitely give the shots to the babies.  Because – Fauci-Science!

I really want to see that guy in prison.

https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-sex-and-age-15163

• Mon, Jun 21, 2021 - 03:59pm

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#### Blaggers

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#### VAERS Data ?

Nice find Dontknownothin.

Some people are doing some pretty amazing research.

Big takeaway is that VAERS is way behind in their reporting…..6 months. That also doesn’t take into account that only 1% of adverse reactions are being reported (Harvard audit).

• Mon, Jun 21, 2021 - 05:09pm

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#### Blaggers

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#### Carnage continues in Europe

Maybe brand new member Pali can shed some light on this anti vaccine messaging.

15,472 DEAD 1.5 Million Injured (50% SERIOUS) Reported in European Union’s Database of Adverse Drug Reactions for COVID-19 Shots

From the total of injuries recorded, half of them (753,657) are serious injuries.

“Seriousness provides information on the suspected undesirable effect; it can be classified as ‘serious’ if it corresponds to a medical occurrence that results in death, is life-threatening, requires inpatient hospitalisation, results in another medically important condition, or prolongation of existing hospitalisation, results in persistent or significant disability or incapacity, or is a congenital anomaly/birth defect.”

https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/15472-dead-1-5-million-injured-50-serious-reported-in-european-unions-database-of-adverse-drug-reactions-for-covid-19-shots/

• Mon, Jun 21, 2021 - 05:29pm

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#### Blaggers

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#### VAERS Data ?

No-one knows how many of these deaths were directly, indirectly, or not at all caused by the COVID vaccination, but this is not new when it comes to determining the safety of a vaccine.

The vaccine for the Rotavirus was suspended by U.S. authorities in the late 1990s after 100 babies became ill, and one died – out of approximately one million doses. The vaccine was pulled from the market, despite the fact that officials stated “no firm link had been drawn between the vaccine and the children’s illnesses.” The 1976 swine flu vaccine was pulled from the market after 500 people contracted Guillain-Barre syndrome, and was associated with 25 deaths (out of 43 million doses).

https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/frontlinenews/are-the-covid-vaccines-safe/

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