vaccines just reduce symptoms or do they provide immunity?

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  • Wed, Apr 21, 2021 - 12:15pm

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    Kristopher Setchfield

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    vaccines just reduce symptoms or do they provide immunity?

Everywhere I ask this question i get very emphatic answers that vary a LOT.

 

Most people say “yes, it provides immunity” but some say “it just reduces yoyr symptoms.”

 

Both camps have articles to support their beliefs.

The CDC says it provides immunity.  but if it does, is it like flu / cold immunity…just good for 3 months or so?

 

 

  • Wed, Apr 21, 2021 - 04:10pm

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    davefairtex

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    use a search engine

Search for: “fauci vaccine prevents severe disease.”  Top hit:

https://news.yahoo.com/fauci-johnson-johnson-covid-vaccine-205924858.html

Fauci: Johnson & Johnson Covid vaccine effective in preventing severe disease

Also:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/22/health/covid-vaccines-prevent-death/index.html

I suggest that if the vaccine provided immunity, Fauci would probably be saying that.  I don’t think he would run around understating vaccine effectiveness.  Undermining the vax narrative is just not his way.   So if he’s saying the vaxx prevents severe disease, rather than providing immunity, then – best case – it prevents severe disease, as opposed to providing immunity.

Which is probably why we all have to keep wearing masks.  That – mostly – don’t work to protect us from viruses.  But we still have to wear them – because, pandemic narrative.

And of course the vax doesn’t work for everyone.  See: “breakthroughs.”  And there are the occasional unfortunate side effects too.  We can’t make an omelette without breaking the occasional egg.

https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data

  • Wed, Apr 21, 2021 - 06:44pm

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    Hohhot

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    Immunity? Shedding? Safety?

Yes, the articles often have conflicting information, but look closer as many times it’s the circular reference “proof.” Like with transgender surgeries for children/teens, the references cited refer to another similar article, that refers to another, etc. They all refer to one another- no outside voices, no scientific citations for claims. This is what I’ve found on NIH, FDA, CDC, PubMed:

1) CV Vaccines produce antibodies. This is proven.  We do not know how long they last or have an established level where a particular level = immunity. Even the consent form uses the wording “Protects against CV” but doesn’t say immunity.

July 2020-   Natural history of COVID-19 and current knowledge on treatment therapeutic options

Despite intense research there is currently no effective vaccine available against the new severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2) emerged in the later 2019 and responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32768971/

In interviews, the Pharma talking heads have said it decreases the severity of disease, don’t know about shedding, don’t know about longevity of antibodies.

What defines an efficacious COVID-19 vaccine? A review of the challenges assessing the clinical efficacy of vaccines against SARS-CoV-2.      Feb 2021

However, the most important efficacy endpoint, protection against severe disease and death, is difficult to assess in phase 3 clinical trials. In this Review, we explore the challenges in assessing the efficacy of candidate SARS-CoV-2 vaccines, discuss the caveats needed to interpret reported efficacy endpoints, and provide insight into answering the seemingly simple question, “Does this COVID-19 vaccine work?”
Copyright © 2021 Elsevier Ltd. All rights reserved. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33125914/

Please read this and understand that they are writing “we don’t know if the vaccines are effective”…then why are they being pushed?

2) This is the Fact Sheet for one of the vaccines. The language used on all is nearly identical.

You are being offered the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine to prevent Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by SARS-CoV-2. This Fact Sheet contains information to help you understand the risks and benefits of the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine, which you may receive because there is currently a pandemic of COVID-19.

The Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine is a vaccine and may prevent you from getting COVID-19. There is no U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved vaccine to prevent COVID-19.

If the manufacturers’ are to be believed, CV shot  MAY prevent it, but there is no APPROVED vaccine to prevent CV.

3) In order to know if it protected against CV, one would have to expose the test subjects to CV after vaccination then monitor for disease.  That is considered an unethical experiment. It has not been done, therefore: we don’t know if it provides immunity.

4) Other vaccines have shedding. The measles vaccine was studied by a pro-vaccine group/ CDC in the ’90s. It was found live virus was shed from adults/kids for at least 2 weeks in the urine.

Detection of measles virus RNA in urine specimens from vaccine recipients                            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7494055/

Smallpox vaccine site had to be covered and people were told not to touch the scab or bandaid and clean with a cotton ball, disposing of all, as it shed the varicella virus.

Possible shedding with weird consequences from CV vaccine:  Women are reporting horrible severe periods, breakthrough bleeding in women who were vaccinated or close contact with vaccinated individuals. Post menopausal women report having periods after years without one.  Dr. Kate Clancy’s Twitter feed got 1,000s of responses with these symptoms.

https://twitter.com/KateClancy/status/1364671490772320259

That would be shedding as the unvaccinated are reporting the same symptoms.

Do you think anyone will study this? Don’t hold your breath.

 

 

  • Thu, Apr 22, 2021 - 08:20am

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    vaccines just reduce symptoms or do they provide immunity?

Dr Fauci states that the current vaccines are not effective against the newer variants that have emerged.

  • Thu, Apr 22, 2021 - 08:39am

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Dr Fauci states that the current vaccines are not effective against the newer variants that have emerged.

Well, it is a damn good thing that I didn’t risk my life “getting the jab.”

  • Thu, Apr 22, 2021 - 09:04am

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    vaccines just reduce symptoms or do they provide immunity?

So much of what I have been learning has come from Alex Berenson’s tweets. This item this morning from CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Update:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7017e1.htm?s_cid=mm7017e1_w

Postvaccination SARS-CoV-2 Infections Among Skilled Nursing Facility Residents and Staff Members — Chicago, Illinois, December 2020–March 2021

The following is all from Alex’s commentary –

A smart new @cdcgov report on #Covid infections among Chicago nursing home residents this winter again offers evidence of a post-first dose infection spike. It also exposes the myth that vaccinations, even at peak effectiveness, end hospitalizations or deaths.

The reason the report is so interesting is that these residents are routinely screened for #SARSCoV2, so the data does not have a bias against testing vaccinated people that could lead to missed infections in them (and thus an overestimation of the vaccine’s value).

In fact, @cdcgov did not make an overall estimate for vaccine effectiveness, because it didn’t have the days at risk for the vaccinated population (you need the denominator to have an equation). But it did provide topline data for infections and outcomes in four groups.

And they are very striking. First, most infections occurred in the unvaccinated. But more than 20% of cases and ~30% of deaths occurred in people AFTER they received their first dose.

Second, @cdcgov also helpfully provided hospitalization and death data for each category – vaccinated, partially vaccinated, unvaccinated. And the percentage of infected residents in each category who were hospitalized or died is roughly the same.

In other words, at least in this sample, the vaccine failed to make #Covid cases more mild.

  • Thu, Apr 22, 2021 - 10:40am

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    vaccines just reduce symptoms or do they provide immunity?

Oh, my goodness, I love you all!

Posting on facebook wo my friends to try to get intelligent open-minded discussion is ridiculous. PP is amazing.

Thank you all for sharing the insights, perspectives & resources you shared.   I am going through them with great interest now.

 

  • Fri, Apr 23, 2021 - 04:36am

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The problem with the internet..ones ability to convince others of their personal,”motive driven”, narrative, through cut and paste video..leading to misinformations.

What was really said by the doc..was that although,the vaccinnes currently provide protections,,this is a fluid situation that diminishes..as the disease mutates.

 

He did not say the vaccines were ineffective.

He DID say ,the longer covid is allowed to circulate ,the less chance the current vaccines will be “completely “effective.

 

BIG ,difference.

Like TERRY said..Do not get the vaccination..Who cares?

At this point..herd immunity is not possible, imho.

Now is the time, that we find out what ones personal covid19 plan ,was actually the  correct path to follow.

Its my opinion that “some” heads up,to the immune system,with an Mrna vaccine..is better then counting on a David and Goliath..battle..of our normal immune system vs. an engineered enhanced killer disease,that inmo..will become more deadly with time.

Your pick.

I myself have been vaccinated with the stronger Moderna vaccine.

I will follow up with boosters as well.

fear mongering?

NO..

common sense.

I will take my chances with science.

 

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