Vaccine dangers?

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 08:05am

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    Kristin in NJ

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    Vaccine dangers?

Hi all!

I think it’s safe to say we’re all critical thinkers and we’re looking to get to the truth, or as close to us as TPTB allow 🙂

I understand, like I’m sure you all do, the true risks of Covid. I am not a Covid denier, but I don’t think I need to justify myself to everyone here because I assume you’re all like minded in this regard. However, the media has put us under a spell of FEAR and so many people, regardless of age/comorbidity are walking around petrified and way overestimating their true risk. I found the video about mass psychosis extremely interesting and I think it is what is happening.

That said, I try to be “beware of anecdotes”. The media will print headlines like “Healthy 42 year old mother of 4 dies from Covid. Her final wish on her deathbed was ‘I wish I got the vaccine'”. We know that there at MAYBE there’s more to this story. In the life, I am around many, many people. Some of have contracted Covid but thank God everyone is a-okay! I look around and see with my own eyes that we are all living life (sort of) normally and thank God again, we’re OK!

So, about those vaccines! I am NOT vaccinated nor so I have any plans to (unless maybe Novavax comes along but that’s another story for another day). The mRNA vaccines are not for me. I know so many agree. However, I am trying to “beware of the anecdotes”. I estimate that 85-90 of people I know are vaccinated and again, thank God, they are all OK. They tell us some stories of lingering side effects but thankfully no one has suffered a major adverse event.

I guess what I am trying to make sense of- is my fear of these vaccines unfounded? I sense something is not right with them but then again, do I believe my lying eyes when I see people doing totally fine who received them? I DO sense that there are many people having issues but again, like the pandemic, if this were a huge issue, wouldn’t we see a massive die-off or at least know someone who has had some major adverse event?

Sorry for the rambling. I am just trying to make sense of this. I also think people think I am a nut when I express my vaccine concerns due to this reason, aka “everyone I know got it and we’re all fine!”. Any thoughts or words of wisdom? Thank for reading friends!

  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 09:17am

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    bobrinos

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    Vaccine dangers?

https://www.facebook.com/80221381134/posts/10158207967261135

There’s 50,000 ‘anecdotes’ for you. As for me? I think something that harms so many people, albeit it may only be a few percent of the total at the onset, WILL harm most everyone else in the longer term. Just my opinion, no facts behind that thought because of course we haven’t been through the many years it takes to prove or disprove that thought. So in essence, MOST are being harmed they just don’t know it yet. Again. My opinion.

  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 09:41am

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    monks4christ

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    Vaccine dangers?

When ANYONE is coercing or forcing you/us into injecting us with any foreign substance, you have a right to make that decision freely, with informed consent, and a legal right to hold them accountable for outcomes. Is this the case?  Indeed, it is not!  So, as humans, the only species with both body and reason, you have a personal responsibility for yourself, your family, and to the creator who made you and gave you life, to be reasonably skeptical, prudent, and persevere in your principles to live and seek the truth. To this, add patience, life is not a 2 hour movie!  If you’re on this website, you know the backstory on all this, the survival rate, and the mountain of growing evidence against these jabs.  The coercion is intense and morphing into out right persecution!  I get it. But, what you are doing is trying to rationalize doing something you know you shouldn’t do.  Again, patience here, these jabs were rushed. Protocols of 10 years + not followed.  Test subjects in prior jabs died. Terrible toxin ingredients, also not duely tested in humans. And a “gun” pointed at every one not rolling up their sleeve? For what; a virus with a 99%+ survival rate?  Does the world have covid; or does it have madcow?  If you take a moment to step back, something is very wrong here; why? Who benefits for treating us all so abysmally? Is is weird that legislators, judiciary, executive bodies are exempt? That executives of Pfizer, et al have not taken them? Why? The virus doesn’t distinguish between these things.  Fear and dependence makes us easy targets to let others use us and hurt us. If you are religious, sit in prayer with God, start reading the Psalms. If not, sit quietly and listen to your inner self.  Shut down the noise and listen to truth based on everything you already know.  The truth of all of this will be known in time – be patient.  May God bless you and give you peace.

  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 10:02am

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    Mike from Jersey

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This is the one of the issues that is in my “very important” category.

There is no doubt in my mind that there are safety issues with vaccine. But it is damn hard to pin down just how serious it is. Right now, I am estimating that the death/serious adverse event ratio is around one to two percent.

But I don’t know.

From talking to friends and family, most are okay. A doctor in whom I have trust told me he is not seeing a lot of adverse reactions.

On the other hand, a friend of my neighbor was hospitalized with a severe adverse reaction. It was so bad that my neighbor told me “no way that I am getting that vaccine.” A relative of mine has developed significant (and apparently permanent) loss of muscle strength in his legs. Two friends have developed cancer. One relative, in the medical profession, reports seeing a large number of cognitive issues in the vaccinated. Another hospital worker told another relative of mine that the number of adverse events is so large that there must be a cover up.

That is the information that I have.

How does one make sense of all this?

I know that the media and the government cannot be trusted. I am left to try to make sense of this on my own.

  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 10:20am

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    missmolly

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Hi Kristin from NJ from Jane in BC Canada.  Everything you wrote resonated with me.  I have questions which no one will answer just the same old ‘Get vaccinated.’ Mantra. I have experienced some persecution/ scolding from family and acquaintances.  Hard to believe.

The depth of ignorance out there is astonishing.  Doesn’t anyone have questions?  I had Covid (I’m 73)  and recovered using Ivermectin.  No one says ‘I’m glad you recovered’ they all say vaccine recommended for those of us who have recovered.  It’s astonishing.

I have had a horror of this vaccine since it was proposed. And the more I find out the more worried I am about it.  As for giving it to children, in the words of Dr Montagnier, ‘I am appalled!’  I’m sure it takes a lot for a Dr of his status to be APPALLED.

What about the Nuremberg Code?  The world has gone mad.

  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 10:48am

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    Post Vax Myocarditis in young people is the signal issue

There is no gray here – young people have higher statistical odds of getting myocarditis from the vax than they do getting hospitalized from Covid.  We can see the myocarditis signal in the VAERS data, and thanks to Dr. Jessica Rose, we can see how it stratifies with age (cases pile up at the young end) as well as second dose (most of the cases are after second dose).  Her chart depicting this is brilliant and terrifying.

The pile of multi-modal data is now overwhelming… the story is very, very clear.

Here’s where you can find each corroborating data point;

1)  Dr. Rose presentation is down below.. set to start up at the time stamp where she is talking about the age stratified myocarditis data.  This data should not be taken for granted.. she had to do a huge amount of work to extract the relevant data point out of individual VAERS reports and plot them.. it is literally a MASTERPIECE of Truth.  I set the Youtube video of her presentation to start at the point where she is showing that chart.. but the entire presentation is well worth watching.

2)  This paper reviews the myocarditis case frequency over the last 2.5 years for a large (40 hospitals) Western US system.  This is very important and the chart with the yellow dots showing the recent increase is key.  This is corroborating data.. It’s NOT VAERS.. it’s an entirely separate and corroborating database.  It also supports the point that, NO, kids were not getting myocarditis from Covid-19.  In fact, nobody was.. the baseline is unperturbed throughout 2019-2020.    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2782900

3)  A Navy Surgeon reports to us that in 2020 only 20 service members died across all US services in 2020 (Note, I am sure some of this was due to denial of early treatment).  She states that the military has it’s own epidemiological database that is very accurate, and that thus far with the vax campaign they have recorded 80 cases of myocarditis.  Again, this is completely separate, but corroborating evidence that the cure is worse than the disease for otherwise healthy young people.  A crime.

Navy Surgeon sounds the alarm – YouTube

4)  I don’t have a reference for this.. I heard the interview but I can’t find it now.  It was between Dr. Byram Bridle, a Canadian virologist who has come out against the vax, and a Canadian podcaster.  They were talking about how wrong it was to place a vax mandate on the kids in Canadian youth hockey.  Dr. Bridle stated that his research was showing that the large majority (75 – 85%) of kids who were getting post vax. myocarditis has natural immunity already.  This is an important signal and it should be stressed;  There is a negative interaction between this vaccine and kids who have natural immunity.  It never made sense to vax over natural immunity.. for kids it can be especially deadly.

5)  This is an important new article that covers the whole issue of kids;

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221475002100161X

Why are we vaccinating children against COVID-19?

6)  Did you know that scientists have found a switch that can actually turn myocarditis on and off in a mouse model?  Why was that not on the TV news?  Why is the precautionary principle out the window now when it comes to the health of our most precious and most vulnerable;  children, and pregnant women?  What the fuck has happened to us?  As it turns out, injecting the mRNA vaccines right into a vein will turn on myocarditis.  The last sentence of this excerpt should scare the crap out of anyone with functioning brain cells;

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34406358/

Intravenous injection of COVID-19 mRNA vaccine can induce acute myopericarditis in mouse model

Conclusions: This study provided in-vivo evidence that inadvertent intravenous injection of COVID-19 mRNA-vaccines may induce myopericarditis. Brief withdrawal of syringe plunger to exclude blood aspiration may be one possible way to reduce such risk.

7)  Here is a recent paper that shows the negative risk vs reward statistics for kids getting the shot.  The shot adverse event risk is 4-6 times greater;

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1.full

SARS-CoV-2 mRNA Vaccination-Associated Myocarditis in Children Ages 12-17: A Stratified National Database Analysis

For boys 12-15 without medical comorbidities receiving their second mRNA vaccination dose, the rate of CAE is 3.7 to 6.1 times higher than their 120-day COVID-19 hospitalization risk as of August 21, 2021

So that’s the story for now.. I keep building it.. but it’s very, very clear already.

 





  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 10:52am

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    Vaccine dangers?

I am Covid recovered and have followed the literature carefully on the protection afforded by natural immunity relative to vaccines. Of course, the question of the risks vs. benefits of vaccination in those with natural immunity is important. I just saw this very elegant analysis comparing the number needed to treat (NNT) to the number needed to harm (NNH). The bottom line from his numbers indicates  that one is 80 times more likely to be harmed than avoid one asymptomatic reinfection! https://www.andrewbostom.org/2021/09/mandatory-covid-19-vaccination-for-previously-sars-cov-2-infected-rhode-island-healthcare-workers-yields-an-unacceptable-risk-benefit-ratio-of-eighty-to-one-a-published-evidence/?unapproved=7282&moderation-hash=86aadbc6e1d25c88968e0f8b343da9c5#comment-7282

  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 11:01am

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Perhaps a reasonable experiment to test the safety of the double vax involving cases where subjects had already been infected would be giving the double shot to the gorillas at the San Diego and Atlanta Zoos who’ve tested positive.  I believe the first shot will prove quite risky, and the second shot would be especially painful- but I’d definitely pay to watch!  (After the syringe-pokers were recovered, it would also be interesting to try to determine if any of the subjects had, in fact, been inoculated.)

  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 11:36am

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When you shoot up millions with an injection, it’s anecdotal that individual deaths and illnesses are because of the jabs; some of these things were going to happen anyway. This is part of the confusion. But, I think that when so many suffer death, injury and illness with in weeks of one common denominator, the jab, then it becomes pretty self-evident that the jab is the key.  This is all an active, live experiment, so it isn’t known yet who and when adverse reactions will happen to.  This has been a big game of Russian-roulette so far, and we should not be distracted by it. When you’re on a beach and the water goes out and your wondering when will the water return, it returns in a tidal wave.  Anyone who hasn’t taken the jab so far, should consider being prudent until after the first winter, or two. If ADE is the primary risk, it is still some months yet before we see the real risk with these jabs.  I suspect that the reason for the unrelenting pressure against everyone is that the coercive know time is running out and that their sins will be found out.  Many of the Psalms tell us that the wicked and evil always fall into their own snares. Be patient! Have faith in the One who is there for us and loves his creation.

  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 11:41am

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    laku334

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The adverse effects from the vaccines, according to all the anecdotes and news articles, seem much more debilitating than the adverse effects from the actual cov virus. I’m amazed there are very few actual hit pieces by the media on e.g. long covid or adverse effects on it… makes you think. I figure these would be the good propaganda for coercing ppl to jab up. I’m very healthy 36/m, I can’t risk a life long debilitating condition from the vaccine. I’d rather take my chance with the actual virus.

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