Vaccine Damage; anecdote from the MRNA 45-person Phase 1 Trial

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    Vaccine Damage; anecdote from the MRNA 45-person Phase 1 Trial

First, wired tells us that vaccines with “minor side effects” might still be pretty unpleasant.  They conclude the article with the statement:

There is already a high level of misinformation and distrust about fast-tracked Covid-19 vaccines in the American community. This week, a new preprint from Kin On Kwok and colleagues found that even a sizable proportion of nurses in Hong Kong would be hesitant to take one. We may have a vaccine soon, say the authors of that paper, but “communities are not ready to accept it.” It won’t help to overcome this skepticism if notable evidence of harms keeps getting pushed off to the side. It’s much better to be straight up about what it’s really like to take one of these vaccines. Why would anyone trust the experts otherwise?

In the article, they reference the story told by one of the participants of the MRNA 45-person trial, who talks about the side effects he suffered from the vaccine.  He was in the “highest dose” arm of the trial, and got two injections.

Headline: “He experienced a severe reaction to Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccine candidate. He’s still a believer”

Haydon has spoken about the vaccine on CNN and CNBC. He even said he’d volunteer to be exposed to the novel coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, if researchers want to test to see if the vaccine was actually effective. But up until now he has left out a key detail: He is, apparently, one of three people in the trial who had a systemic adverse reaction to the vaccine.

Twelve hours after receiving his second dose, he developed a fever of more than 103 degrees, sought medical attention, and, after being released from an urgent care facility, fainted in his home. He recovered within a day.

A man of strong belief, indeed.

So when we read about “only minor side effects”, this is what they mean.

And this is only his body’s short term reaction to the vaccine.  The longer term effect on his overall health remains unknown.

Note: vaccine manufacturers pick only healthy people for their Phase 1 trials.

Note also: MRNA has decided not to use that particular dosage for their 30,000 person trial.

  • Wed, Jul 22, 2020 - 05:57am

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    Vaccine Damage; anecdote from the MRNA 45-person Phase 1 Trial

I pointed out that very reaction by that test subject in a video some weeks back.  Here’s the thing.

The mRNA “vaccine” is a really poorly understood mechanism.  The foreign RNA is taken up by cells, translated, and converted into proteins that are then presented on the surface of the cell.

That elicits some sort of a reaction in the body’s immune system.  Exactly what all those reactions are, we don’t know.  How the body will respond long term, we don’t know.  Whether that will confer long-lasting protection whose benefits outweigh the costs and ‘side effects’ we don’t know.  Whether or not that protection will cross-react with other immune functions or sensitivities, we don’t know.

These are the sorts of unknowns that are usually tested and resolved in animal models which, it needs be said, aren’t perfect.  But at least you know what to look for when you do move to human trials.  “Hey, remember how those Rhesus monkeys got really sick afterwards and we discovered they had been exposed to an entirely different virus class?  Let’s remember to pay really close attention to these test subjects when the flu comes around, eh?”

Here’s what we know about the mRNA vaccines in humans; almost nothing.

Everything we know comes from these 45 subjects.  Unless a true miracle happens, there will be unpleasant learnings and findings when they move to big numbers of people.  Unless another miracle happens, these unpleasant side effects will be buried and ignored, perhaps with a PR campaign to paint the afflicted people as nutty or making a false connection between the vaccine they received and their symptoms.

You know, the same old, same old.  If that fails, then there’s always the vaccine victims fund with it’s gag-order linked payouts.

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    Vaccine Damage; anecdote from the MRNA 45-person Phase 1 Trial

I say we align the incentives. If there are any payouts, they should come from the salaries or retirement funds of everyone who is making money off the vaccine. And we charge the principals with aggravated assault for causing significant health problems or even manslaughter for anyone who dies. And we ban them from working in medicine, research, and pharmaceuticals for life. The same goes for journalists and their employers if they publish glowing reports of the vaccine’s effectiveness or ignore harms. The same goes for all politicians who vote for fast-tracking the vaccines without following the usual safety and research protocols.

If those actions are insufficient to reform the system, then we’ll have to defund the pharmaceutical industry altogether. And the complicit MSM.

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    missed the video

Thanks for the thumbnail sketch.  Sorry I missed the video.

I looked at the trial results when they first came out, and thought the data wasn’t all that benign.  I mean, just 45 people, and one guy gets blown up pretty badly.  But it was a while ago.

Now just imagine what happens when we get a cross section of people, some of whom aren’t all that healthy, in that 30,000 person trial.

And this is just one trial.  How many other trials will there be?

And what are the long-term effects?  And how long do they take to show up?  We are just going to watch these people for a few months.  We won’t get to see everything that will eventually appear.

The one thing I have learned from this event is that the human immune system is really complicated.  And we only kinda-sorta know how it all works.

And now we’re running dozens of experiments on hundreds of thousands of people “at warp speed.”

I know the usual playbook is to bury everything bad that happens in vaccine-land.  I’m not sure that will work this time around.  For some reason, the usual playbook isn’t doing so well right now.  Instead of kneecapping HCQ for the whole country, they only managed to make that work for half of it.

After all, this testimonial made it out.  I think it might bode well for what comes next.

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    Reply To: Vaccine Damage; anecdote from the MRNA 45-person Phase 1 Trial

So much misunderstanding by Chris and others about how vaccine research works in the US.  All the mandated vaccines your children receive, which includes many vaccines an adult might elect to take, absolutely zero of them were ever legitimately tested for safety.  A federal lawsuit has proved that.  The FDA released the list of studies that were the basis of the vaccine approvals.  Zero of them had inert controls.  No placebo.  No comparing to an unvaccinated population.  And some were only monitored for days (not weeks or years) for potential adverse reactions.  Baby dies a day later?  Not counted.

And really unlikely any COVID-19 vaccine will be released for general use in the US unless the manufacturer, like for all those mandated vaccines, has been given immunity from liability.  If you seek damages you will have to sue the US government, and the vaccine trial court isn’t set up with the fair and standard procedures that other trial courts use.

The mantra of “safe and effective” is an illusion.  The blue pill.  Big Pharma propaganda.

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    Reply To: Vaccine Damage; anecdote from the MRNA 45-person Phase 1 Trial

But isn’t this the first mRNA vaccine ever?

From a quick google search:
“There are no approved mRNA or DNA vaccines, and neither has ever been tested in a large-scale clinical trial for an infectious disease.

I’m all for it if it works, not so enthused about unleashing it untested on a global population.


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    Vaccine Damage; anecdote from the MRNA 45-person Phase 1 Trial

I think you would have to have a long-term study on it (rna vaccine ) – at least 4 years for such a new type of vaccine to be approved.   I wouldn’t take it.  And I know one of the first recipients is about 35 and has 2 young children.. I do not think that some one with children should have been allowed to become a guinea pig.   And I am sure many of the side-effects  would be buried..  Again, I am risk reward person.  And with the exception of 1-2 vaccines , all are unnecessary..  Tell me why my 5 year needs Hep B to go to kindergarten?  I do not believe in medicating a healthy person ever.  Unless, something is likely going to cause them significant harm greater than the damage by the vaccine.  This is  a dangerous virus for many – and seems very benign for others.  We need to find out the difference and quickly.  Obviously we are seeing race play a roll – this can be explained some by Vitamin d.

However, I do not believe we will see a functional vaccine – all these technologies are based on acquiring immunity through infection.  This clearly doesn’t happen with a coronavirus of any type.   At very  best, you get very short-term immunity.. Its almost like saying you cannot get infected or you are protected so long as you are still fighting off a coronavirus infection.   Which is exactly what these vaccines would do.  you need to take them so often to be read for the infection.   Your immune system would be under constant stimulation.. We know this will cause damage to the functioning of the immune system – we have proof with dog vaccines where dogs get far fewer vaccines than humans.   There are endless studies that show the same in human models.

At the end of the day, best case scenario for a vaccine,  it has some of the t-cell actions ( oxford/astrazeneca )  which do not confer immunity but lessen the severity which must be taken bi-annually or more often to work.   However this will ultimately wreak havoc with the immune system and create a demand for HIV like drugs.. to sustain us from ordinarily harmless infections..  more cash – win win for big pharm.

Now you see why this is cash cow for the stocks.  A vaccine everyone needs, and needs more than one time per year.. Its nice that J&J and Astrazeneca are doing it for minimal profit..    Moderna has announced the converse , to sure up its investors.

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    Vaccine ingredients?; Absurdly toxic vaccine ingredients in previous vaccines

Any idea what the ingredients might be? I can only find these two ingredients:

– mRNA of the Spike protein or a segment thereof (the attenuated pathogen or rather mRNA code for a part of it)
aborted human fetal tissue (residues only?)

What are the others? As even the highly weaponized Wikipedia admits, it could be any of these:

a-tocopheryl hydrogen succinate
Aluminum hydroxide
Aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate
Aluminum phosphate
Aluminum potassium sulfate
amino acid supplement
amino acids
ammonium phosphate
ammonium sulfate
amorphous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate
Amphotericin B
anhydrous lactose
ascorbic acid
baculovirus and cellular DNA
baculovirus and host cell proteins
benzethonium chloride
bovine albumin or serum
Bovine calf serum
bovine extracts
bovine muscle tissue
bovine serum albumin
calcium carbonate
calcium chloride
calf serum
Calf serum protein
casamino acid
castor oil
cellulose acetate phthalate
cetyltrimethylammonium bromide
chicken protein
citric acid monohydrate
CTAB(cetyltrimethylammonium bromide)
dibasic potassium phosphate
dibasic sodium phosphate
Disodium phosphate
egg proteins
ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid (EDTA)
FD&C Yellow #6 aluminum lake dye
fetal bovine serum
gentamicin sulfate
hemin chloride
hexadecyltrimethylammonium bromide
human albumin
human serum albumin
hydrolyzed gelatin
hydrolyzed porcine gelatin
inorganic salts and sugars
iron ammonium citrate
lactalbumin hydrolysate
Madin Darby Canine Kidney (MDCK) cell protein
magnesium stearate
magnesium sulfate
micro crystalline cellulose
mineral salts
monobasic potassium phosphate
monobasic sodium phosphate
monosodium glutamate
monosodium phosphate
mouse serum protein
MRC-5 cells
MRC-5 cellular protein
MRC-5 DNA and cellular protein
neomycin sulfate
nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide
nonylphenol ethoxylate
octoxynol-10 (Triton X-100)
octylphenol ethoxylate (Triton X-100)
phosphate buffers
plasdone C
Polacrilin potassium
polygeline (processed bovine 14 gelatin)
polymyxin B
polymyxin B sulfate
polysorbate 20
polysorbate 80 (Tween 80)
potassium aluminum sulfate
potassium chloride
potassium glutamate
potassium phosphate
protamine sulfate
recombinant human serum albumin
sodium bicarbonate
sodium borate
sodium chloride
sodium citrate
sodium citrate dehydrate
sodium deoxycholate
sodium dihydrogen phosphate dehydrate
sodium hydroxide
sodium metabisulphite
sodium phosphate monobasic monohydrate
sodium taurodeoxychoalate
sorbitan trioleate
soy peptone
succinate buffer
thimerosal [breaks down to ethylmercury, which they to this day claim somehow isn’t toxic like methylmercury, but unwillingly were forced to remove from most vaccines]
Triton X-100
type 18 viral protein L1
yeast extract
yeast protein

I’ve included all the ones listed on Wikipedia for various established vaccines. Some of these are benign/innocuous… but they tell us that they all are, when it’s obviously not the case, as many of these are well-recognized as extremely harmful neurotoxins. There are no safety studies requirements and they have total legal immunity and zero liability, where a max damages compensation of $250,000 via special vaccine court is paid by tax payers. There are billions (trillions?) spent on advertising and in ensuring information like shown in documentaries like Vaxxed never reaches the public at large.

Yep, I trust the nice folks at Big Pharma and government regulatory and disease-prevention agencies to deliver a safe COVID-19 vaccine.

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    Vaccine Damage; anecdote from the MRNA 45-person Phase 1 Trial

tbp, your scary list is actually incomplete.  I’m not sure how much, if any, it includes stuff that was found later.  Like the simian viruses, or glyphosate.

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    A Warning from a Naturopath

I pulled this off fb, so take it with the appropriate spoonful of salt.
If this is true run for the hills from this vaccine.

An ominous letter of warning from German Naturopath, Anette L** to all of her patients inquiring about the upcoming coronavirus vaccine.”

For all my patients:

I would like to urgently draw your attention to important issues regarding an upcoming Covid-19 vaccination:”Over the past 20 years, patients came to me again and again, who had developed symptoms after being vaccinated, which I then had to treat. Of course, such artificially produced symptoms/diseases were always a special challenge in individual cases and somewhat more difficult to treat than the predominant diseases that arise from the nature of the patient, i.e. are of natural origin.

“However, because the consequences of vaccination have up to now been mainly based on the already frequently mentioned adjuvants (active substance boosters), whose excretion the body could not cope with in individual cases and therefore developed a corresponding mild to severe symptomatology, a homeopathic therapy in which the individual vital force was stimulated to excrete the toxins from the body was successful in the end and the side-effects of vaccination disappeared, even if it often took many months.

“Due to the novel mode of action of the future coronavirus vaccine, however, such healing successes will no longer be possible in the future. For the first time in the history of vaccination, the so-called mRNA vaccines of the latest generation intervene directly in the genetic material of the patient and thus change the individual genetic material, which represents a genetic manipulation – something that has been banned, even considered criminal up to now.

This intervention can be compared with that of genetically manipulated food, which is also highly controversial. As much as the media and politicians are currently trivialising the issue and even unreflectively calling for such a new type of vaccination in order to be able to return to normality, such a vaccination is problematic in terms of health, moral and ethical issues and also in terms of genetic damage, which, unlike the damage caused by previous vaccinations, will now be irreversible and irreparable.

“Dear patients, after such a novel mRNA vaccination, you will no longer be able to have the symptoms of the vaccination cured in any complementary way. You will have to live with the consequences, because they can no longer be cured simply by removing toxins from the human body, just as one cannot cure a person with a genetic defect such as Trisomy 18 or 21, Klinefelter syndrome, Turner syndrome, genetic heart diseases, haemophilia, cystic fibrosis, Rett syndrome etc.), because the genetic defect remains once present forever!” In plain language this means: Should you develop a vaccination symptomatology after an mRNA vaccination, neither I nor any other therapist will be able to help you causally, because the vaccination damage will be genetically irreversible.

“In my opinion, these novel vaccines represent a crime against humanity that has never before been committed in such a broad form in history.”As Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, an experienced physician, put it just yesterday:’In reality, this “promising vaccine” for the vast majority of people is in fact a forbidden genetic manipulation!'”

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