Vaccine comparison

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  • Wed, Jul 21, 2021 - 07:54am

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    Kathy

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    Vaccine comparison

In an attempt to make sure I am not traveling in a ivermectin bubble I went looking for vaccine research.  As we discuss the validity of the observational IVM studies or if some study should be included in the meta analysis I figure surely there must be at least ten good scientific papers on each of the vaccines, right?

The first one I stumbled across was a decent comparison of (RRR) relative risk, (ARR) absolute risk and (NNV) number needed to vaccinate.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8057721/

At this point what I am hoping to find are some good studies or perhaps a meta analysis of the data collected since the vaccine rollout.

  • Wed, Jul 21, 2021 - 09:52am

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    Mike from Jersey

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Thanks, Kathy.

This link performs a public service.

I already have a “read” on the safety of the vaccine. I see it as a crap shoot. Most of the time you’ll be okay, but there is a non-insignificant risk of serious injury, disability or death. And the long term consequences are completely unknown.

At my age there is not much of a “long term.” So, for myself, it is short term Russian Roulette. I could conceivably take that chance if there is real significant efficacy.

But real (not purported) efficacy is the question. Hopefully with the aid of other PP’ers I can get a read on that as well.

  • Wed, Jul 21, 2021 - 10:45am

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    Kathy

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I should have titled this, “random junk I am finding,” because I am NOT finding a bunch of scientific papers on additional data gathered on the vaccines.

But here is a big collection of vaccine information.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8209888/
It kind of wanders all over the place but then ends with this disturbing paragraph.

Narratives are more important than numbers. Consumers’ ability to observe others’ choices can increase an innovation’s rate of adoption, wearable tokens or electronic stickers or immunity passports allowing greater social mobility for vaccinated people (once their decreased transmission potential demonstrated) could increase acceptance and create a visible sign of in‐group/out‐group attribution. In consumer markets, scarcity often signals exclusivity and prompts greater interest and the initial shortage of supply should here be used to frame early access to vaccines as a mark of social honour or respect (elderly and health care workers). If a product runs out quickly, people might assume it is highly desirable. People dislike missing out on fun things, therefore working with reward is legitimate, e.g., employers could offer a day off to reward an employee’s contribution to a safe workplace (this will also help people to rest and recover from side effects if any; Wood and Schulman, 2021). Imaginative approaches are needed to motivate the population to get the jab once the vaccine becomes available in sufficient numbers.

  • Wed, Jul 21, 2021 - 11:02am

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    Mike from Jersey

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Kathy, the blurb that you posted from that NIH paper is sickening.

It is a testament to everything that is wrong with this country.

I have spent a lot of time looking into the safety issues of the vaccine. I paused my research into efficacy so that I could spend time research expatriation.

After reading that blurb, I can see that I am making wise choices in deciding how to allocate my time.

  • Wed, Jul 21, 2021 - 12:36pm   (Reply to #3)

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    TWalker5

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Why does this article, and so many more, imply that vaccinated have a lower rate of transmission?  Has that been proven anywhere?

Last time I checked even Pfizer and Moderna did not claim that.  They only claim protection against severe cases. IMO, that makes the vaccinated MORE of danger to spread COVID, since they’ll be much more likely to be out and about while infectious.

  • Wed, Jul 21, 2021 - 08:09pm

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    A telling story; Doctors have been terrorized against questioning the vax

This is a vax damage story from the following website;

https://www.c19vaxreactions.com/real-testimonials.html

I just find it to be really telling in terms of the state of things.  Doctors have been literally terrorized;

7/21/21

In March 2021, I received my 2nd moderna shot. I had some swelling in my face. A few days later, I began to develop a terrible reddish purple rash on my legs and feet. Went to my Doctors who did not seem overly concerned. I continued to work 8-14 hours a day and the rash became unbelievable. Finally, I ended up in the Presbyterian Emergency Room. Then was checked into the hospital. I was seen and tested by my internist, neurologist, oncologist, cardiologist and it’s 4 months later and my next appointment is with a rheumatologist. In 4 months I have of yet to get a diagnosis for what this is. I developed neuropathy, nerve damage and drop foot. I wear a leg/ foot brace and walk using a walker. I have been an in house rehab hospital and continue as an outpatient. I can’t drive or work. My days are now comprised of doctors appointments, tests and rehab. I am 71 years old and I am hoping to get back to Health like I had in March several months ago. I will never know for sure. Doctors will not even touch saying something about the vaccine. One doctor asked why is it so important to know exactly what this illness is as long as we’re working on getting you cured. My answer was, “WHY, come on, should I get the Covid 19 booster when the time comes? Would you?

C.R. – Texas

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