Vaccinated vs Unvaccinated

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  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 01:02pm

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    coh

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    New York City will require proof of vaccination for indoor dining and fitness.

On that note…NY Times headline: New York City will require proof of vaccination for indoor dining and fitness.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/03/nyregion/nyc-vaccine-mandate.html

  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 01:16pm

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    Stephen R

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Yes it is very scary. I remember forever all the patriotic talk of freedom in USA then in an instant the NSA is listening in and downloading everything. Nary a murmur.

”They” are very good at what they do. The Ministry of Information Management I mean. Gain of function indeed! Just call it what it is…..germ warfare.

The thing is there are more of us than them.

  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 02:11pm   (Reply to #11)

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New York City will require proof of vaccination for indoor dining and fitness.

My brother-in-law is moving back to Nebraska soon. I suspect he is probably one of many who is fleeing.

  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 03:22pm

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This whole thing has been scary for a while.  I know for a fact that I will not ever be vaccinated regardless of what happens.  If needed I believe I would be able to hide in plain site.  It might help others to come up with a plan for how they could do that too if needed.  One thing of course to consider in your own situations is how the government knows whether or not you are vaccinated and where you are located.  Part of my plan involves help from people within my personal network.

  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 04:07pm

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If it comes to the point of forced vaccination, those vaxxed people advocating for it will be in for a horrible surprise. The system put into place to enforce vaccine compliance will have the potential to enforce compliance with anything in the future. I’m guessing that’s part of the plans.

  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 04:30pm   (Reply to #15)

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I agree Agnes.

I doubt many double jabbed people have thought through the implication that they must submit to an injection every time the government decrees so that they can keep their vaccine passport/ID valid. Multiple injections forever and whatever they want to give you or join the ‘great unwashed’? An interesting dilemma.

I’ve taken to asking my double dosed friends that.

  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 08:59pm

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    God you guys are depressing

I think they call it “black pilled”. You are so beaten down by worry and anxiety over this thing that you are basically ready to order your tombstones. Im going to tell you the next rational mental leap; You’re going to go from ‘Im ready to die’ to ‘resistance is futile’ to ‘I might as well just give up and get the jab’.

Meanwhile nothing has happened, they havent done anything but talk. You are wearing down your own resolve.

Look, my opinion [ and Ive given this alot of thought and attention ], they are very very unlikely to show up at your door, hold you down, and try to force an injection on you. The cost, the logistics, the manpower, the OPTICS, are just horrific for them. I wouldnt worry about it.

What they are going to do [ and they have been pretty up front about it ] is deny you entry to certain businesses, events, travel and services. They are going to get private businesses [ mostly large corporations ] to mandate the shot as a condition of employment, and they are mandating for many public employees.

I believe most of that will be short lived. Alot of states have already passed legislation to make it illegal to refuse service based on vaccination status.

So the way I see it, you’re not going to have to die to avoid the shot, you’re not going to be held down and injected by Nazis. You will have to deal with some inconvenience, you’ll have to stand up to social pressure, and most of all you’ll have to endure the machinations of your own MIND [ going against public opinion is torture for most people ].

Not quite as sexy and heroic as dying in a hail of bullets but dont underestimate it….most people will cave.

Its already very clearly gotten to some people here on a very deep level.

  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 10:23pm

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    Canuck21

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I agree with Brushhog. We cannot permit ourselves to go to such a negative head space — it is too destructive. Let’s not catastrophize unnecessarily. And experience in Israel and the UK shows that these required proofs of vaccination last for a few days before the publican or restaurateur or whoever says “Sod this, I’m not paying for someone to stand at my door all night”.

Brushhog,

You’re right, the mental battle against an imagined enemy you can’t defeat is a hopeless and futile effort that can beat a person down. But at the same time that is how you strategize against an enemy who outguns you. I think though, that rather than being a way to grind people into the ground in defeat, it actually steels their resolve to know what they are willing to endure to fight the noble battle. The guerilla fighters of every campaign knew the costs and knew they would suffer grievously, they did not convince themselves otherwise, but they stayed in the fight because of these very mental exercises and preparing themselves for the worst imaginable outcome, only to discover the real end came not from a rat eating their face, but a bullet to the back of the head, the imagined end a slower and more horrifying one than reality. It’s ultimately about preparing ones mind for battle and the expectation of the end. It does however, make a pretty laughable way to develop PTSD, and frankly, worry being the second highest co-morbidity on the list makes everyone in that practice more susceptible to the actual illness. Gallows humor is the best outlet, “Fuck it, we’re all dead already. And the bastards will get away with it. Fortunately, they will rule over ruins and we’ll all be sleeping soundly in the dirt.” Its all worthwhile preparation, cause you better believe we are going to be fighting a major war over all this, and we will all probably be dead in a few years because of it if we’re fortunate enough to escape the prison camps and the persecutions. 🙂

  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 11:28pm

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    Friedrichs_teeth

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So, here I sit thinking of all the conspiracy theories I’ve thought of in the past. Like I thought Trump would win but there would be massive election fraud and then I crunched some numbers and saw it first hand. I thought that my PM was going to persecute the church and then many churches burn down and christian ministers got thrown in jail and I wasn’t allowed to attend. Then I thought that free speech might be curtailed and then I was permabanned off of Twitter for saying “even Canadian elections have voter id”. Then I thought the government would set up covid camps to force quarantine people, and he did.

So, yeah, it might be catastrophising. But then I thought those other things were too. When do we just believe the worst of people and institutions that continually surprise us by instituting our worst suspicions. Maybe we should prepare for worst case and hope for best.

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