Typical public reaction to this site

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  • Wed, Jan 07, 2009 - 04:10pm

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    Dogs_In_A_Pile

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    Re: Typical public reaction to this site

Greg, Chris – good posts and good info – thanks. 

When I was growing up (my wife would argue that I haven’t and still am) my father used to tell us "Never murder a man who is committing suicide."  I didn’t really know what that meant until I was older.

We ordered 100 Crash Course DVDs and gave them to friends and family members for Christmas.  When my wife called her family Christmas Day – my mother in law (as she was passing the phone around) said words to the effect "Who wants to talk to Miss Doom and Gloom?"  My parents were a tough nut to crack – but at least they have been through CC and are asking questions.

We’ve had more luck with co-workers and friends than we’ve had with family.

The common response I get from skeptics is "I’m not worried, the government will do something, they always do."

To which I counter "You mean the same people who got us into this mess?"  Sometimes that breaks the ice and they start to listen.  Sometimes they just smile as if I was speaking Swahili and their eyes glaze over.

Another thing I have tried is to have a copy of "Financial Armageddon" "The reature From Jekyl Island" or "Twilight In The Desert" with me when I travel.  Taking advantage of people’s inherent nosiness, most people ask what the book is about and the conversation starts from there.  You can tell fairly quickly if you are sowing seeds on rocks or soil.  Ultimately they can be steered to this site and The Crash Course and all you can hope for is that they follow up.  I travelled to San Diego from Virginia recently and had a 4 hour conversation with the guys sitting on either side and the rows in front and in back of me.  Hopefully some of them followed up and actually checked out the site.

Anyone else have any unique ideas or examples of what has worked to get the conversation going?

  • Wed, Jan 07, 2009 - 05:10pm

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    GR8TFUL

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Dogs_In_A_Pile:

Do U find that deadheads are more receptive to this site than others? 😉 Maybe if you handed them a rare soudboard along with the Crash Course DVD?!?

Just kidding, nice to find out that I’m not the only fan on this site!

"Strangers stopping strangers, just to shake their hands . . . "

  • Wed, Jan 07, 2009 - 05:42pm

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    Dogs_In_A_Pile

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GR8TFUL –
Wasn’t sure if your forum name was indicative of your opinion of Chris Martenson or the boys (or both) but figured my name and logo would flush you out….

Funny you should ask, I have had many conversations over on the Dead thread forum on Live Music Archive http://www.archive.org/details/GratefulDead on what has been going on in the economy and have referred quite a few of the regulars there to this site. I think about 6 guys have at least checked it out – one has been through CC and we have kicked some ideas back and forth. We try to keep that to a minimum as the intent is a place to discuss GD related things, but the forum rules there are fast and loose, so as long as it doesn’t start to dominate the posts, most people tolerate sidebars pretty well.

BTW – I have every available SBD from ’65-”79 plus about a dozen boots. Around 1.2 TB total.

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  • Thu, Jan 08, 2009 - 03:36am

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I’ve been extremely active in trying to promulgate the message of the Crash Course.  So far, only ONE person has truly gotten it and can carry on a discussion with me about the ideas extemporaneously.  A few others were grateful for the link, but there was no follow up.  Most people are overtly negative toward the course, or, at best, indifferent. 

I think we are just way too far from a real downturn for most people to begin looking beyond their back yards.  As to the message of the Crash Course, once it’s actually gone through, it seems either "take" or it doesn’t.  I’m not sure I should waste much time on trying to convince people anymore; it just seems to entrench them further into their denial, so I figure they’ll come around one day when they figure out they’ve been sold a pack of lies.  Or not.

The reason we are in the mess we are is that people are basically sheep, and that is the sad truth.

  • Thu, Jan 08, 2009 - 04:30am

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GR8.

You’ll go through 20 people for every one that catches on. It’s a bit different for me at work though. I work with some guys that are very very sharp and generally contemptous of the STATUS QUO. So when I send them something, it doesn’t mean that they are going to agree with it, but as long as it’s not "common sense" (an oxymoron IMO) they’ll at least have a look at it, 

Right now I am 5 for 5 with friends at work. 1 for 12 out of work. 

You’re just not going to be able to convince a lot of people to keep an open mind. 

Particularly the average American. Sorry, true caricature coming…

We want our information in an executive summary, dumbed down so that we don’t have to analyze too much, and preferably something that most people would want to believe anyways. 

  • Thu, Jan 08, 2009 - 04:00pm

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    switters

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[quote=MGhandi]

We want our information in an executive summary, dumbed down so that we don’t have to analyze too much, and preferably something that most people would want to believe anyways. 

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Executive summary?  Try five-second soundbite.  Few people read anymore.

  • Thu, Jan 08, 2009 - 04:33pm

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This video, while a little corny, makes a great point.

http://revolutionarypolitics.com/?p=402

 

  • Thu, Jan 08, 2009 - 04:38pm

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    gregroberts

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"The reason we are in the mess we are is that people are basically sheep, and that is the sad truth."

I think George Orwell had it right in Animal Farm, pigs are the politicians and the businessmen who get favors from the politicians, dogs the military and police, horses are the honest business people, the donkey and the raven are the philosophers, and the rest of the animals are the common people. I don’t see how this situation could ever change and therefore things will always be messed up. I think Mr. Hewitt might be right that we are wasting our time but I’m still going to give it a try and hopefully find that he is wrong.

Greg

  • Thu, Jan 08, 2009 - 06:05pm

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    Re: Typical public reaction to this site

It seems to me that those who appreciate this site resonate with it in similar ways. The fact-oriented, powerpoint style and the implication of intelligence, personal responsibility and community values all appeal to certain kinds of folks, myself included.

A problem arises in that not everyone responds to this style. Just as effective educators think about various ‘learning styles’, if the message of the Crash Course is even partly correct, then a significant challenge for those who believe it is to learn to communicate the message to people who respond to different sorts of stimulae. Those posts that mention asking people about their concerns begin, I think, at a useful point.

So far I’ve had much better luck talking with people if I first listen to their world rather then tossing facts and conclusions into their laps.

If the message is important, as I believe it is, the CC is but one way to communicate it. One that appeals to folks like us. But we will need many other ways to communicate, ways that speak to all the varieties of people who do need to learn about these things if we hope to move the message beyond our self-selecting bubble.

  • Thu, Jan 08, 2009 - 08:48pm

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Excellent points & post SnowshoeBob!

Directly relating to what you said: "So far I’ve had much better luck talking with people if I first listen to their world rather then tossing facts and conclusions into their laps."

I think it’s important to realize that when you are talking to people about this site, handing them DVDs, etc., though most of you would not consider yourselves as trying to "sell" anyone anything, in fact you are. You are trying to convince (or sell) people that this site & the info. on it is worth them "spending" their time on.

 Once you accept that you in fact trying to sell something, then you need to ask yourself what sales method will work most effectively for you. As Bob pointed out, first find out what the person’s needs (concerns) are, then sell them a solution that best fits their specific need.

 

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