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  • Sun, Nov 30, 2008 - 04:57pm

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    krogoth

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    Carpenter

Well, when I lived in Florida, the successful non-union carpenters usually ran a business, then had 10 Mexicans do all the work, similar to most labor intensive business. So I guess to be successful, you would need to be the boss.

  • Sun, Nov 30, 2008 - 05:44pm

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    ckessel

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    Re: hewittr and joe2baba

joetobaba,

Very well said ! I’m still chuckling !!!! The bitching and moaning on this site pretty well follows the movie and definately will not keep the ship from going down.

Hewittr is doing all he can to make sure his lifeboat is not too full. Krogoth is mad as hell at the stupidity of the engineers and the empty lifeboats.

I have never particularly liked the unions. I do agree they have done a lot to train workers and raise the middle class. But they tend to function like the government in that they are very concerned about making sure management is as you say, on the upper decks of the Titanic. Recent data showing that there are some 96,000 retired autoworkers on the payroll and that their health benefits include Viagra perscriptions is crazy. I am trying to verify this data now but it was mentioned on Lou Dobbs the other evening.

As for job creation, I am an employer of a small business and very concerned about making sure my staff has work. My wife and I run our business and we employ about 14 people in the design and construction field building solar and energy efficient homes and commercial buildings. A big difficulty for me is finding qualified help, especially in the construction field. There are plenty of carpenters left over from the blown housing market but I need persons who have the ability to be knowledgeable in several trades and integrate plumbing, framing, concrete etc, if I am to keep them busy. On small jobs I cannot afford to hire specialized trades for each little portion of the work (especially on remodels )and still keep the work affordable for the homeowner. In general, the unions don’t like this approach as they want each trade to be represented.

I think surviving the coming years will require more cross training for workers and employers, especially when you are dealing with small mom and pop businesses. I have remained competitive because I have no debt on any tools, equipment, inventory and the like. But to do this has required my wife and I to work way more than a 40 hour week and raise our kids as well. Generally our employees don’t like that much work ……. and neither do we but that is what is has taken to remain in business and continue to provide jobs. Unfortunately, solar and energy efficient buildings has not been a big demand business until recently but it is my passion so we continue.

Not sure if this is an answer to your question or simply a viewpoint. Hope it helps.

By the way, my associate and I prepared a powerpoint presentation a couple of years ago on energy and the environment and the consumption of resources. After we completed the crash course we added a sketch of none other than the Titanic (representing the planet) and put the various classes of people, businesses, governments etc. according to the decks as a description of our predicament. Your comment really hit the mark for me. Thanks for a good belly laugh !!!

Keep swingin!

 

  • Sun, Nov 30, 2008 - 06:25pm

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    Reuben Bailey

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    Re: A bench warmer signs up

First to your question – the answer is yes. (g)

As for responding to attacks, do you find that it pays to respond in kind?

All the best.

  • Sun, Nov 30, 2008 - 06:39pm

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    krogoth

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    Re: A bench warmer signs up

Well it does not pay actually, and I am ignoring him, but of course he followed me to new posts and attacked me again. I will ignore him regardless, and many others are really tired of his superior attitude and misinformed, ignorant postings or rants.

Here is what he just wrote after I told him I was ignoring him

(1) When I used "boycott," I wasn’t trying to be exact. It wasn’t worth a lengthy explanation. Oh horrors! Krogoth is going to boycott me. Go ahead. Go play with the other children who think you know what you are talking about.

(2) The web is killing human interaction? The machines have taken control. How funny. I have social matters to attend to today, so I’ll have to miss the rest of the day with Krogoth the Clown. How sad.

So tell me Mr. Peace and Love Reuben, who is the asshole here?

 

 

  • Sun, Nov 30, 2008 - 08:13pm

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    joe bender

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    Re: hewittr and joe2baba

thanks for the reply

i see the problems with the unions.as i said it is not a perfect solution, but what human solution is perfect.

what i would like to see is a balance between bashing and praising. the unions deserve as much credit as blame for the life of the average worker in this country. worker safety and child labor just two.

i certainly do not agree with the division of labor. i worked on big condo jobs in florida and i could not go get a sledge hammer because it was the laborers job. so i had to stand around while the laborer went to get it. that is stupid no doubt. but lets not throw the baby out with the bath water. lets add some flexibility. obviously gm and other companies cannot survive with the huge pension and health benefits they are liable for. so again flexibility is needed. i have not been in a union in 28 years. i have been self employed all that time. i see the benefits of both.i myself can do just about anything in construction, carpentr(finish and rough) plumbing wiring masonry and a host of other stuff. 

the middle class exists in large measure because of the unions IMHO 

i dont necessarily want to see us live off the little brown and yellow people of the world either. they deserve a decent wage and working conditions. but thanks to  the imf, wto gatt and nafta and the rest of the alphabet we are all being reduced to serfs.

if anyone has a solution i am all ears

  • Sun, Nov 30, 2008 - 08:20pm

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    joe bender

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    Re: Carpenter

one problem they have all gone home. thanks to the guys in ny smoking crack thinking up new financial instruments to deal with all the money ben and alan sprayed over the landscape.

i have a friend who is a plumber in fla and he is one hurting puppy these days. cant keep himself busy let alone the ten mexicans ………………………who happen to be human beings deserving of a fair wage and  decent working conditions.

the fat days are over zo we are all workers there are no bosses

  • Sun, Nov 30, 2008 - 08:57pm

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    Reuben Bailey

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    Re: hewittr and joe2baba

Very well said, Joe.

I, too, am self employed, and have the skills to do many things in the construction field.  Thanks to regulations and insurance issues, though, I am limited to carpentry and equipment operation when I work for other people – I do not possess the license to do either electrical or plumbing work.  I see this as another area that will hold many people back.  To be honest, it is not my fear of lawsuits from those that I do the work for that keeps me from doing the work, it is that if anything happened to the building that I had worked on and their insurance company found out, I would be strung out to dry, even if it had nothing to do with my work.

 

All the best.

  • Sun, Nov 30, 2008 - 11:24pm

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    Carl Veritas

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    Production From Savings is the correct answer.

 

The correct answer is production from savings,

but can only happen if the governments counterfeiter is removed, the central bank.


Remember the question—–

How can the economy create new jobs without adding to the enormous debt or increasing taxes?

That eliminates the government,

leaving the private employers who can only prosper by meeting consumer needs and wants.

 

Economics In One Lesson

by Henry Hazzlitt

is a short, easy to read primer on how our economy works.

 

 

  • Sun, Nov 30, 2008 - 11:25pm

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    Reuben Bailey

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    Re: A bench warmer signs up

"Mr. Peace and Love" – I might just put that in my signature – but that would misrepresent what I am trying to say.  "Mr. Tolerance and Civility" might be a better way to put it.  I am not trying to judge whether either of you is being an asshole – Most of us can be from time to time, myself included. Instead I am trying to point out that I think that the discussion has become just a little bit uncivilized.

My original post was actually in regards to the one you wrote to 4liberty  – they had decided to sign up and contribute to the forum and all you could see fit to do was heap sarcasm on them.  I do realize that their first post was criticism aimed at you, and that is bothersome.  It does not mean that they are incapable of substantive contribution.  Part of your reply was to say that this is not their site to censor – while this is true, it does not mean that they are not allowed to say what they think about what you say, even when that is that they think you or anyone else is out of line.

As for assholes, the whole discussion reminds me of a saying: Assume makes an ass of you and me. 

 

All the best.

 

Edited for spelling about a minute after posting.

  • Tue, Dec 02, 2008 - 05:57am

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    krogoth

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    Union Blues

Speaking from a Florida perspective, no labor related business can exist without cheap labor behind it. The competition will simply undersell you. This goes for landscaping, roofing, painting, carpentry, plumbing, electrical, HVAC, welding and a number of other labor related jobs. The only thing the unions in Florida do is big jobs, like the nuclear power plants. That’s about all they have left, because they are sure as hell not doing residential anymore, it’s too expensive. I think the last time I saw union workers on a residential job-site was about 20 years ago.

Here is an example. I got my tile redone in my last home in Florida. I went to 5 companies and price shopped. Not one of them had a crew that was made up of 1-2 bosses (usually the licensed or qualified manager) and Mexican, Cuban, Nicaraguan, or Haitian crews. So then I had to switch to the next method, price and quality, to decide which company I wanted to use. The labor issue didn’t even come up in the equation because ALL business do it this way. It’s the only way they could survive over the last 10-15 years. When the tile was done, the crew was from BRAZIL and spoke Portuguese, which is far from Spanish, which I knew quite a bit of. So needless to say, I could not speak to them at all because I know no Portuguese. They did the work, it was done fine and away they went.

This is not a recent problem. When you have things on the ballot in Florida years ago questioning if English should be the official language of Florida or Spanish, you see the writing on the wall. And in Florida schools, Spanish is becoming a quick requirement.

15 years ago I can remember going into a Miami McDonald’s where not ONE person spoke English at all. Not even a little. So if I wanted to eat, I better know some Spanish or be able to point and explain.

This is not a race issue. Some of my best friends are Cuban being from Florida. My brother in law is Cuban. It’s simply a microcosm of the world. It will always come down to price as a basis of purchase. Quality is a secondary consideration because we are moving to a world where everything is becoming disposable. Soon even cars will be disposable.

 

 

 

 

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