Trick Question For Obama’s Economic Team

Login or register to post comments Last Post 5459 reads   56 posts
Viewing 10 posts - 21 through 30 (of 56 total)
  • Sun, Nov 30, 2008 - 07:18am

    #21

    krogoth

    Status Platinum Member (Offline)

    Joined: Aug 18 2008

    Posts: 512

    count placeholder

    hewittr and joe2baba

Well considering hewittr does nothing but go from topic to topic with outlandish if not impossible solutions, based on little or no data, I would consider and expect more solid contributions from him. Since I am from the South, we used to call people like him a pot stirrer. Just arguing for the sake of argument, and not really adding anything to the conversation. So now I will try to ignore him because he really is not adding anything positive or provable, just a lot of wind.

As for Joe, I understand why you feel the way you do, because I am in the generation behind you and hewittr I think, with an even more bleak outlook and future to face. While you were in the free love generation, my generation grew up with Aids, and while you had your nice Union job or security, my generation grew up knowing we could not depend or retire on one company alone, and we would more than likely work for 5-10 companies in our lifetime.

Then you support and feed dollars to the very beast you hate by the way you shop every day.

At least my generation is primarily interested in education still, and still questioned authority all the way up to the government level. My generation is the antiestablihmnent generation. The generation behind me, or my generations support system, is 10 times worse. They are XBOX robots, tied to a strobe light of force fed misinformation, nutured by terror and as a majority, lazy with no direction.

That’s why I hope hewittr enjoys his job at MacDonald’s.

What you boomers don’t realize, or maybe you do and just don’t want to admit it, is that your support system is fading fast, and my generations support system does not even exist.

You will not spend your retirement days enjoying life on the golf course, shuffleboard court or playing tennis. You will spend them working until you drop dead. All the boomers will, except the extremely wealthy ones.

Your retirements will dry up, social security will go away, and then you will RETURN to the workforce for your remaining days. That is, if you can even find a job. You will be competing with PhDs for your MacDonald’s job, so it may be a bit tough.

You see, regardless of how much data is being posted on here, how much information we consume or digest, or much we disagree with the information or the delivery method, at the end of the day we are all screwed. From the boomers to the generations supporting them, all screwed.

America will become nothing more than a hollowed out, used up shell of a dirty amusement park for the rich and wealthy to enjoy in America and abroad. This will be stocked full of people without unions or support, working for practically nothing, with lines of replacements behind them to replace them at any minute if they drop dead, with it’s only purpose to amuse the world like a bunch of clowns.

Shadows of what we could and should have been.

You all just keep buying your cheap crap from WalMart and Target because every dollar spent is another nail in the coffin of America’s future.

Unions, they will die. They will be forced to. The sheer audacity of these organizations like the UAW make my blood boil. I will be laughing when Ford and GM close for good, as they deserve to. Victims of excessive greed and gluttony.

I am SO glad to have hedged my bets about my future years ago, living and working in multiple countries, because anyone who puts all the eggs in America’s basket will end up with no eggs soon.

 

Happy Shopping! Your Chinese masters will be arriving soon! You work for them already and don’t even realize it, like a blind consuming monkey, everytime you pull out your wallet or go into your purse to go shopping.

 

 

  • Sun, Nov 30, 2008 - 07:23am

    #22

    krogoth

    Status Platinum Member (Offline)

    Joined: Aug 18 2008

    Posts: 512

    count placeholder

    Re: Trick Question For Obama’s Economic Team

I said generally that America needs to create jobs, I didn’t say it could be done, because it probably is impossible at this stage of the game.

  • Sun, Nov 30, 2008 - 07:28am

    #23

    krogoth

    Status Platinum Member (Offline)

    Joined: Aug 18 2008

    Posts: 512

    count placeholder

    Re: Retirement should be fun for you

OK, now Chris needs to add an ignore feature to the website.

  • Sun, Nov 30, 2008 - 07:40am

    #24

    krogoth

    Status Platinum Member (Offline)

    Joined: Aug 18 2008

    Posts: 512

    count placeholder

    A bench warmer signs up

Well I for one am glad you signed up finally. And if it takes my shotgun delivery for Chris to get more members, or get more people like you out of the shadows, waking up, or adding something productive to a conversation instead of bench-warming and not playing in the game, so be it.

I am really sorry I don’t coat my postings in sugar for you, or put some bubbles in the bath for you to enjoy, or give you a teet to suck on. Reality and truth usually are hard to swallow for most sheep.

And since it’s not YOUR website, I don’t think you decide what is becoming or not. Put your bible down, turn off FOX, and start reading the truth and/or different opinions for a change.

Believe me, if Chris or Erik ask me to leave, cancel my membership or censor my postings, which for the most part are civil and have added a great deal to this website, and more than likely you just have not read them bench warming so much, then I will go.

 

Peace,

 

 

 

 

  • Sun, Nov 30, 2008 - 07:53am

    #25

    caroline_culbert

    Status Gold Member (Offline)

    Joined: Oct 02 2008

    Posts: 254

    count placeholder

    Re: Trick Question For Obama’s Economic Team

We seem to be playing this cat and mouse game as far as wages are concerned.

1.  We have fluxuations in currencies that create profit for those who buy and sell currency, but the problems lie where currency is tied to wages.

2.  currency is tied to wages

3.  corporations and/or companies have incentives to lower wages to maximize profits

3.  If we don’t outsource, then the whole friggin’ corp ends up moving out of the country

4.  If we allow outsourcing, we shoot ourselves in the foot

5.  If we do outsource and we don’t outsource we still lose because they pluck the border jumpers for the jobs and pay pennies on the dollar as wages anyway.

6.  I found out that my brother-in-law’s employer (pharmeceutical equip.) has whole warehouses of cheap labor, in the U.S., mass producing medical bags…. the only wierd thing was that they’re all Japanese.  Why!!!??? I asked… my sister said– cheap labor.  So in essense, it doesn’t matter where you set up shop, or what the currency exchange rate is when there will always be people who will work for less.

7.  The demand for jobs is high and the supply of jobs is low.  The only way you’d ever get fair wages is if everyone in the whole world agreed not to be scabs.

8.  It’s the right thing to do, but how do you get there?  Is it even possible.

I don’t believe in creating jobs just to create jobs.  You might as well just hand the workers a check.  They should look at creating jobs that will simultaneously generate sufficient profit in the long run and is in high demand (such as better education) so the gov’t can use that profit to pay off debt.

It’s going to be hard to find something to invest in, now, that will generate a profit, later, esp. since the profit will have to keep up with the compounding rate of interest upon that debt.

  • Sun, Nov 30, 2008 - 08:16am

    #26

    krogoth

    Status Platinum Member (Offline)

    Joined: Aug 18 2008

    Posts: 512

    count placeholder

    Re: Trick Question For Obama’s Economic Team

That’s exactly my point as well, is anything possible at all anymore?

  • Sun, Nov 30, 2008 - 08:30am

    #27

    caroline_culbert

    Status Gold Member (Offline)

    Joined: Oct 02 2008

    Posts: 254

    count placeholder

    Re: Retirement should be fun for you

[quote=krogoth]OK, now Chris needs to add an ignore feature to the website. [/quote]

LMAO!!!  Too Funny!

  • Sun, Nov 30, 2008 - 09:13am

    #28

    krogoth

    Status Platinum Member (Offline)

    Joined: Aug 18 2008

    Posts: 512

    count placeholder

    Re: Retirement should be fun for you

Thanks Matrix,

 We don’t always agree, but when I agree with you, I give you props. You usually do your homework.

 

Peace

 

 

 

 

 

  • Sun, Nov 30, 2008 - 09:29am

    #29

    caroline_culbert

    Status Gold Member (Offline)

    Joined: Oct 02 2008

    Posts: 254

    count placeholder

    Re: OK here we go

[quote=krogoth]

OK I said nothing about maintaining higher wages for Americans at all. In fact, I think wages should be lowered in general, matched by a much lower cost of living in America (impossible, I know). Higher prices for goods would generally happen for just about anything as long as we have greedy unions and the standard of living we are used to, and unions need to go away, and the standard of wasteful living needs to change dramatically.

You can go many places where the cost of living is much lower, and the standard of living is not better or worse. just different. 

What is needed is a general humbling of America. Other countries don’t beat us because the standard of living they have is worse, but to Americans in general it is worse.

Just because you don’t have a flat-screen 50" TV in every room because you cannot walk 20 feet to the living room to watch 1 TV, 3 cars in the driveway and a house that is way too big usually for the size of your family. Plus you are buying everything you can to keep up with everyone else does not mean you are living better. In fact, you are living wastefully and you are probably overweight. America in general is typically 10-20% overweight indivually and growing.

This is another fundamental base problem in America. What we really need and what we think we need. I have covered this in many posts on this website, so I am not going to rehash it.

Spend some time in India, Vietnam, Korea, Taiwan and China to see how different cultures live. How they are sometimes worse than you think, or sometimes better in ways. The first 2 things they do better is education and taking care of the elderly, and I could go on and on about socialized medicine and other programs they kick the crap out of America with. Some are horrible with the handicapped, which America is generally better at.

Do you need to deal with things you are not used to? Yes because it’s a different way of life. But if you spend some time in these countries and many others, you will learn one important thing. Why can they do it so much more cheaply than America?

It’s not because they don’t have nice houses, or nice cars, or nice things in general. All of these countries have the super rich as well. It’s because the MAJORITY of the people live within acceptable means, support the family unit much more as a whole than Americans do, care greatly for the education of the children, and can live on much lower amounts of money.

Better or worse? Well, that’s perception. As long as America keeps paying for cheap imported goods and cannot support itself internally without international imports or support, we will continue to be bent over. It will come at the expense of jobs, education, higher taxes, lowered health-care, and eventually a forced lower standard of living.

America is getting pushed into 2 classes now, the have and have nots, and the have nots will be growing at an alarming pace. But maybe that’s the wake-up call America needs?

Just 30-35 years ago, Americans typically had 1 car, 1 TV set and a modest house. Healthcare insurance was completly afforadable. Dental insurance was completly afforadable. Perscription drugs were much cheaper. Doctors used to come to your house if necessary. I could go on and on.

 

 

 

[/quote]

 

Well done!

  • Sun, Nov 30, 2008 - 09:42am

    #30

    caroline_culbert

    Status Gold Member (Offline)

    Joined: Oct 02 2008

    Posts: 254

    count placeholder

    Re: OK here we go again

[quote=hewittr]

I said nothing about maintaining higher wages for Americans at all.

That’s the usual war cry.

As long as America keeps paying for cheap imported goods and cannot support itself internally without international imports or support, we will continue to be bent over.

So now cheap imports are bad for us?

What is needed is a general humbling of America. 

It’s getting it, good and  hard. Real hard.

Whatever your reasons, what I said above still stands. Your cure is worse than the disease.

At the root of America’s problems is a dysfunctional economic system based on Keynesian Theory. To my knowledge, every country in the world subscribes to the same belief system. It is not until that way of thinking is thoroughly discredited can a viable economic system take it’s place. It could take decades.

If I have a cause on this site, it is to get people to stop thinking government is the solution.

[/quote]

Gov’t should always be part of the solution.  Most of us work 3-4 months of the year for it; I’m sure as hell going to get my money’s worth!  If you pay into a system, hopefully you work to benefit from it.  What am I doing on this site if not to better my future somehow?  Attempting to "fix" the government starts with fixing ourselves.  The closest thing resembling a government is something like a family.  Once you get your house in order, read up, and get busy educating your neighbors.  It’s hard, but sometimes it requires work.  What we’re doing right now, hopefully, is starting to wake some people up.  Slowly but surely.  In the end, we may want a minimal gov’t but that doesn’t mean our gov’t should never be part of the solution.  It should be the impetus for the solution!  That’s what we pay them for!

Viewing 10 posts - 21 through 30 (of 56 total)

Login or Register to post comments