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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2009 - 09:43pm

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    pir8don

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    Tribal solutions

What we are presently experiencing is a failure of authority. In a heirachy we wait for the top to act to save us. It is a long wait. We can rail against the machine and blame those in power but nothing of consequence is going to change. So what can we do?

One of the bloggers I most admire is Ran Prieur and today he has another great post quoted in part below(March 16). http://www.ranprieur.com/. 

[/quote=Ran Prieur]
Sometimes real collapses do lead to a brutal dog-eat-dog social
landscape, but more often the victims either suffer quietly or come
together and innovate. And the vast majority of the murders in history
have been done not by individuals with too much freedom, but by
organizations with too much power. The most famous genocides of the
20th century were all done by radical ideologues using the machinery of
a centralized state. After Katrina, it turned out there were no murders in the Superdome, no gunfire on aid helicopters, and powerless people in the French Quarter formed tribes, while white vigilante gangs hunted and killed black men in the name of keeping order. So the real danger is not "hordes" but organized violent gangs of all sizes.

Last week the War Nerd made exactly this point in a piece called Apocalypse Never, and Jeff Vail made it in this impressive analysis of the Mexican Collapse.
As one system begins breaking down, long before it finishes, the void
is filled, not by chaos, but by other systems. In Mexico it’s the drug
gangs. Brecher thinks that in an American collapse it could be the
churches. Vail thinks the era of the nation-state is ending and future
systems will be organized more laterally and less vertically, and in a
linked pdf paper
he argues that discrete national boundaries are a weird artifact of the
Cartesian age. So forget those maps with "Cascadia" and "Republic of
Texas". I imagine a messy patchwork of overlapping spheres of
influence, including neo-feudal warlords, corporations, remnants of
national and state governments, invigorated local governments, informal
"nations" based on race or religion or culture, and tribes based on
mutual aid.

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My suggestion remains to form human scale groups with our neighbours.

Don

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2009 - 11:43pm

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    Peak Prosperity Admin

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    Re: Tribal solutions

pir8don "My suggestion remains to form human scale groups with our neighbours."

CM "As I look forward from here, the advantages of being in a strong community shine compellingly bright."

 

Community:  a new [old] form of wealth.  IMO the most important. 

 

Viva — Sager 

  • Tue, Mar 17, 2009 - 12:11am

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    Re: Tribal solutions

Thanks Sager

We need to hope for a crisis sufficient to stimulate community but not destroy it. Can we achieve it in our neighbourhoods by more intelligent means?

I know nursery rhymes are means of passing down old learning but I miss the point of your quote. Can you explain?

Don

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