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  • Wed, Oct 29, 2008 - 06:13am



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    Re: One last point

Won’t a power conditioner fix this as well on the incoming supply?

  • Wed, Oct 29, 2008 - 06:16am



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A UPS is the only way to protect against both over volts, under volts, and line noise. A power conditioner that can isolate you from line power using another power source would in effect be a UPS.

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    Best of luck

If anyone desires to remain in touch outside of the forum you can contact me. I do not usually comment very often on forums, I read much more than I post, being an avid reader, especially these days. I could not resist this topic, hope my posts gave some insight. As always the best of luck. Thanks it is an honor to take part in this community.

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    Must read

This comes from a blog by Mish (Mish is a smart guy). The article was taken from his blog, he is quoting another article, read the full post at the following link. You have to read this article.

Good night all.


  • Wed, Oct 29, 2008 - 07:35pm



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    cost effective changes


This is our second house to "green up". We have a small wind unit on top of our house ($475+s/h). The battery system costs as much as any system you buy but-search on youtube to see what a hurricane does to a wind turbine. The cable to connect is also a substantial cost. The pole was from recycled materials.

We use it for integrated into other effecient uses but mainly –

-powering up a battery to vent our methane digester before connecting gas line ($150 first battery) – Methane is for cooking.

-some back up lighting and standby power for computer, tv, printer when needed and such. We’re not big power users ($325 for 2 more batteries).

-powering up the Electric tractor. (Electrac) . . another battery hog system but I love the power the little tractor has. We also have 3 solar panels on top of the electrac in case it runs out of power in the field – we can still get to the house.

We still have our refrig, washer (no drier – just line drying) and well pump connected to main lines. The well pump will be replaced in a few years with a gravity feed rain collection off the buildings so we’ll be down to powering the refrig & washer. Plumbing will cost nearly $498

AC got turned off when we installed solar attic fans ($378).  We may add another solar powered fan to move basement air up to main floor space.

We also collect heat via solar panels out of the inside of our attic roof ($120 for the solar panel & the rest was from recycled parts).

We painted our 1880s house -inside & out with insulating paint additive (Dura Shield Paint Additive) for around $200 and the paint was free from the re-cycling store. And we added window film on all east, west and north windows for less heat transfer and solar shades on the south windows for summer cooling. Solar shades cost about $75 each and I made them myself.

Our energy costs are about $85 a month for gas and electric but I think we can get down even further once we replant the farm lawns with no mowing grass and plant more orchards. We grow about 40% of our own food but we just got here and plan on growing closer to 60% next year – and as our orchards mature, that will be a bonus.

Since preserving food is an energy intensive undertaking, we built a solar food dryer (screen in sun with reflective north wall) and use the southern facing windows for fresh veggies winters (less food to put away).

My advise is to see first how you can conserve comfortably, then what you MUST power, and then how to integrate that into a cost effective system. You don’t have to buy huge systems – just take a good look at your own situation and start making the small changes. Best of all – reward yourself with saving your time, money and energy because living on less power means you don’t have to feed the bills as much.


  • Sun, Nov 02, 2008 - 02:06am


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    Re: cost effective changes

LED light systems are top choice for mountain bikers now. I keep mine charged up in case of power outages as well as for night riding.  I have a 5 watt one that will light up a whole room and last for 12 hours. has lots of info on folks who homebrew their own systems.  The trouble with anything high tech like this though is it’s not a viable long term solution in a post peak oil world if you don’t have industry support for replacement parts.

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