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  • Tue, Dec 05, 2017 - 12:59am

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    suziegruber

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    New Tribe Coaching Salon – Saturday, December 9th

If anyone out there is in Southern Oregon and wants to come together to build tribe, Bill Kauth and Zoe Alowan are holding a tribe building salon this coming Saturday from 9am until 5pm.  From Bill & Zoe:

  This workshop is for people longing for their own long-term, bonded community of people, we call tribe. This “new” tribe is designed to deepen love and connection in your life. It also creates a safety net to navigate rapidly changing times. This non-residential model (everyone has their own home) we have developed will bring you joy and save you years of struggle attempting to learn what we have to share. The Process: You will learn by doing – actually experiencing the ways of the tribe as you come to know the values, skills and needed structure.

If you are interested in joining us, please send me a message and I will put you in touch with Bill.

Hugs,

Suzie

  • Tue, Dec 05, 2017 - 04:49pm

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    phoenixl

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    Just how dry western forests are

Yes, Suzie's comment about forests is correct. Hard to believe when you can see green needles/leaves on trees, but the wood of the tree is ​drier than kiln-dried lumber you buy from lumberyards.​  So the long drought of the west has not only left you with standing trees that are perfect, dry fuel, but the forest management practices of the last century (stop all fires as soon as possible) has led to a build-up of fuels on forest floors, so one spark or lightning bolt makes the perfect massive crownfire that is essentially uncontrollable.

  • Tue, Dec 05, 2017 - 11:24pm

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    ronpoitras2

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    homesteading at 74

Setting up a homestead is a two phase process.  Development and maintenance. When we were first establishing our small farm my wife was working at a teaching job, so we had funds to develop our operation.  Now were both what some would call 'retired'  our work on the homestead falls in the category of maintenance of systems and operations established early on. We grow 80% of our own food. Our days are spent about equally between farm activities, learning new techniques and neighborhood exchanges. 

For income we rely on social security and a small pool of savings. We also sell eggs, fruit and some vegetables locally. We live a comfortable but rather spartan existence but like it that way.

If I were starting out I would spend as much of what capital I had on developing the homestead as I would on housing.  When we started out we bought a used house trailer for $2500, and later sold it years later for nearly as much as we paid for it.  Gardens and farm buildings and later a small energy efficient home were developed over that period of time. 

We obtained a lot of benefits from young folks who were able to help us along.  The 'woofers program (wwoof.net) is a great source of willing workers in trade for housing & food and gardening and farming experience.    Your local State organic farming & gardening organization may also be a source of apprentices.

 

  • Wed, Dec 06, 2017 - 07:20am

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    skipr

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    out of equilibrium forests

A while ago I saw a picture of a patch of Oregon forest when the loggers 1st arrived.  The trees were huge and there was very little undergrowth.  Fires were frequent and would only burn the undergrowth without touching the trees' crowns.  About 100 years later another photo was taken of the same area.  The trees were smaller and there was a huge amount of undergrowth, making the crowns much more vulnerable.  In some areas the annual rainfall was 200" when the loggers first arrived and they now get 80".  I therefore think that the present forest management practices are just trying to deal with the damage done over a century ago that threw the forests totally out of equilibrium.  If left alone, it would probably take thousands of years for these forests to come back into equilibrium, assuming there was no global warming.

  • Thu, Dec 07, 2017 - 04:17pm

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    newsbuoy

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    coastal fires, exibit A

As if it were on que, http://abc7.com/evacuation-orders-issued-for-carpinteria-as-thomas-fire-rages/2751474/

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