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  • Sat, Nov 22, 2008 - 01:40pm

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    Damnthematrix

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    Re: Time perfect for green revolution

[quote=hewittr]Oh c’mon Matrix. The feds are subsidizing ethanol and mandated it to be in gasoline. Farmers stopped growing wheat and other crops and went into corn. Being an Australian, I wouldn’t expect you to know that.
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Being an american, I wouldn’t expect you to know what any Australian might know…. 

[quote=hewittr]
Infrastructure running into disrepair is merely a sign of Limits to Growth. 

Oh nonsense! The money was diverted into foolish wars and military spending, to name one waste of resources.
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Which is EXACTLY what the Romans and the Greeks and the Egyptians and….  ALL did….  Eventually, it takes so much energy, so much effort, so much weaponry to protect abd grow an empire that it can no longer be sustained. 

This distrust of government is soooooo American.

You’re a sheep who doesn’t know what a wolf looks like. The waste caused by government is incalculable.

And you are a condescending so and so……..! 

All America’s ever managed to do is WASTE. And waste and waste and waste..

That is a direct result of artificial money and credit, courtesy of the federal government.

No it’s not.  America thinks it owns the world abd can use up all its resources as it pleases.  We use credit and artificial money here too, but we haven’t got ourselves, as hard as might try, into anywhere near as big a hole as you have.  Trouble is now you’re going to drag us all into it too…. 

Trust me, when that idiot who poses as a president in the white house goes away, we will be cheering in Australia!

That’s a standard ritual at the end of every presidency. If you think Bush is bad, you ain’t seen nothing yet.[/quote]

So now you’re going to blame Obama for all the shit Bush created…? 

  • Sat, Nov 22, 2008 - 02:28pm

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    Ray Hewitt

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    Re: Time perfect for green revolution

And you are a condescending so and so……..!

It’s not personal. I get frustrated wih the naivite of people who think government is the solution. Government is a dinosaur. It has a tiny brain and a massive body that requires constant feeding. Everything it eats, it turns to shit. You people treat it like a god. It’s the devil.

America thinks it owns the world abd can use up all its resources as it pleases.

Until recently, America was the world’s greatest producer. Those resources were all paid for with cash and credit, and the world happily accepted it. Is Australia going to save its abundant resources for itself?  I don’t think so. They’ll sell to the highest bidder like they always do. That’s how it works in the real world.

So now you’re going to blame Obama for all the shit Bush created…? 

How can I blame Obama for the past? Read that sentence again.

  • Sun, Nov 23, 2008 - 08:54pm

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    Damnthematrix

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    Re: Time perfect for green revolution

With the possible exception of Barack Obama’s puppy-anticipating
daughters, no one is more eagerly awaiting the incoming Administration
than the leaders of the renewable-energy industries. President-elect
Obama campaigned on the promise to spend $150 billion over the next 10
years to support alternative energy, like wind and solar, as well as
the green jobs that the sector has the potential to create. At
California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s climate summit on Nov. 18,
Obama, in taped remarks, reaffirmed that he would hold fast to those
campaign promises, starting with mandatory caps on greenhouse gas
emissions. "This is a crucial step forward," says Linda Church Ciocci,
the executive director of the National Hydropower Association.

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In a press conference last week the leaders of the solar, wind,
geothermal and hydropower industries called on Obama and the incoming
Congress to look ahead. First, energy leaders asked Obama to
immediately adjust the alternative-energy production credit to provide
green investors with a cash rebate, rather than a tax reduction. With
the economy tanking, simple tax credits — which Congress renewed in
October and without which the renewable-energy industry would not
survive — aren’t the lure they once were for companies looking to
invest in new energy projects.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1859040,00.html?imw=Y

  • Mon, Nov 24, 2008 - 03:00am

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    switters

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    Re: Time perfect for green revolution

Damnthematrix,

As you know I voted for Obama and think he’s a good man.  However, I think his grasp of environmental and energy issues is inadequate (i.e support for so-called "clean coal", ethanol and domestic drilling for oil that won’t do squat for increasing domestic supply anytime soon).  It’s also rumored that he’s about to choose Tom Vilsack for the Secretary of Agriculture position. Vilsack is a notorious cheerleader for genetically engineered crops and chemical and energy-intensive industrial agriculture–certainly no friend of organic food and farming.  There’s a large petition going around to stop it, but I doubt that will have any effect.  Obama is a politician and it’s clear that he’s making these appointments very politically – instead of from the basis of what is really needed.

 

  • Mon, Nov 24, 2008 - 04:00am

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    krogoth

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    Regardless of money spent

Before we get into a discussion of money spent, any money spent on renewable or alternative sources in my book is a plus. If we took the IRAQ war and foreign aid out of the picture, we would have enough money to put into quick research for these issues with no problems. The main core problem with all of this is where and how the money is spent, and looking inward COMPLETLY instead of being the masters of the world and paying for it everyday.

Now if you can get around the politics of all of this, you deserve an award

 

 

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