Thoughts on Hong Kong Virologist Warning

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  • Tue, Jul 14, 2020 - 06:17am

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My first post here – hello everyone (as Chris would say).  I’m interested in the thoughts of members related to the Virologist whistleblower that is in hiding over comments about COVID-19.  Particularly she says “It’s not what you think…..not what you’ve read in the media…..it’s something different and we really don’t have much time”.  I’m wondering, since I believe Chris’s thoughts that gain-of-function is in play, could what we’ve seen in terms of it’s affects on people change over time whereby those that have been infected  begin to suffer deeper issues or even die down the road?

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  • Tue, Jul 14, 2020 - 09:22am

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Hello. IIRC, Chris mentioned the possible manipulation of the virus in a podcast maybe a month ago. I don’t believe there was a link to the study/journal article that he mentioned, so I went to see if I could track it down. This is what I found.

The paper, Biovacc-19: A Candidate Vaccine for Covid-19 (SARS-CoV-2) Developed from Analysis of its General Method of Action for Infectivity, is a peer-reviewed paper published by Birger Sørensen together with Professor Angus Dalgleish of St George’s Hospital at the University of London, in the Quarterly Review of Biophysics. They claim the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 is not natural in origin. The authors found that the coronavirus’s spike protein contains sequences that appear to be artificially inserted. “The inserted sequences should never have been published. Had it been today, it would never have happened. It was a big mistake the Chinese made. The inserted sequences have a functionality that we describe. We explain why they are essential. But the Chinese pointed to them first,”//

https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/DBBC0FA6E3763B0067CAAD8F3363E527/S2633289220000083a.pdf/biovacc19_a_candidate_vaccine_for_covid19_sarscov2_developed_from_analysis_of_its_general_method_of_action_for_infectivity.pdf

I would find it extremely helpful if Chris could share his opinion on this article.

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Welcome to the Peakers tribe.

I joined a couple of weeks ago and there is priceless information in here if you are a truth seeking honey badger!

I have read to page ten of the document you linked.  The medical speak is in lock step to an analogy Dr. Mayer provided recently (look his comments up here in PP). Here is a clip of Dr. Mayer’s technical communication to the lay person:

 

“SARS-CoV was like a thief. It could only target Honda cars. It then had to break the car window and manually attempt to hotwire the car. Not very efficient and this was only working some of the time.

MERS-CoV had the same problem with Hona cars but had the keys to Toyota cars. With Toyota cars, it could unlock the car, turn on the ignition, and drive away.

hCoV-2019 came with keys to 6+ car brands. This is beyond suspicious. This virus does not need to hotwire these cars. Sometimes the key does not work properly but let’s say it has many sets of Honda keys, so it can use many attempts to hijack that car. This is a super virus. One of the cars is called CD4. Without going into detail, let’s call this one of the primary T-cells for the immune system. HIV uses its GP160 protein receptor as a car key to enter CD4 and infect the host with HIV. While hCoV-2019 cannot give a host HIV nor does the virus contain traces of the HIV (virus), it has the “same” car key to access CD4. This is what Dr. Montagnier and his team were examining in their research. We believe a CD4 receptor hijack would weaken the immune system of the host and the host would potentially both test false-positive for HIV and present with “HIV-like symptoms” in the sense of immune deficiency.”

C. Stone

 

 

 

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Any thoughts on her saying “we don’t have much time”?  I just wonder:  1) First is she a plant from the communist regime.  2) Is she truthful and knows that something is about to change with the virus and is concerned for people.  3). Is she warning us because over time the gain-of-function work will cause all those who have been affected but were a stronger host and appeared to get over it or have little to no symptoms, suddenly start have serious issues (like a trojan horse type effect)?  I’m just intrigued by the “we don’t have much time”.

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CCP benefits from the least number of people talking about it, especially Chinese scientists, so I think it’s highly unlikely she’s be a plant.

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I agree, I don’t think she is either, which really makes me wonder what the “we don’t have much time” is all about.

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    Helo VO. Welcome to PP.

Its like graduate school here where they teach the really cool stuff.  Lot’s of very bright students here who bring interesting studies and questions.  This is where you belong!

  • Mon, Jul 20, 2020 - 05:40pm

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I can answer this but it is exceptionally complex, so I am trying to use the most basic analogies I can think of. Please note these are fake examples to give you a big picture:

Imagine there is a virion that goes into the body and puts your foot to sleep. For the sake of example let’s say there is a protein only found in the foot called protein X. The virion is coded to only target protein X. Once the virion enters your body, it will seek out protein X. Once the virion docks to protein X and begins to uploads its information, then it becomes a virus. Your foot will now go to sleep. It cannot dock to any other protein. If it fails to locate protein X, it will “starve” and die. Then we humans come along and create antibodies, vaccine, or a cure, call it whatever you want. This cure is like a computer program “if you see anything that fits this description looking for protein X, eliminate it”. Now as soon as the virion enters your body, your immune system police detect it and eliminate the threat. Now the immune system is 100x more complicated than that, so we will just stick with that description and move on.

Similar to that example, this is what we dealt with for the 2002 SARS-CoV outbreak in Asia and then Europe, and North America. The virion can ONLY target protein Y, nothing else. We cannot just “turn off” the function of protein Y, as it plays a vital role in our circulatory system. Vaccines did not work. T-cell (memory cell) antibodies were actually created to recognize the attack against protein Y and eventually stave off the invasion. Studies found that many SARS-CoV patients STILL retain antibodies to this day.

Now, what about a virus that can attack 6+ proteins? How does the body create antibodies for this? The body recognizes the attack against protein S and the virus reroutes and attacks protein T. Humans come along and create harmful radiation therapy to destroy the virus, but in many cases, it can keep rerouting since it has so many methods of attack. That means riding the body of this virus is nearly impossible and is something the host society needs to live with. I am of course describing cancer. Now cancer itself is not a virus, but we are using this for our example. It has so many modes of attack and it jumps all over the body.

 

That is what we are dealing with right now, super cancer in the form of a deadly pandemic virus. So this virus, it is not what you think it is. This is not the flu, this is likely going to turn out to be worse than cancer. Why? We have already established that hCoV-2019 has at least 6 routes of attack and is using your own immune system against us. This is why patients are presenting with such varying symptoms. This virus can and will attack every organ in the host and cause long-term medical conditions. Please keep in mind that “recovered patients” simply refer to someone that did not die from this virus.

There is a scientific theory out there that some patients will begin to test false-positive for HIV and or present with HIV-like symptoms. This is because the virus has the “car keys” to the specific (and only) protein that the HIV virus targets. To be crystal clear, I am not stating or suggesting that anyone could develop HIV from the hCoV-2019 virus. I am talking about false-positive testing as well as “similar” symptoms due to becoming immunocompromised.

In order to create proteins, the cell assembles a chain of amino acids, think of it like this O-O-O-O all chained together. A different protein comes along and “folds” this chain, into more of a ribbon shape. This is how the chain of amino acids is being converted into a protein. There exists something called the “master chaperone of unfolded proteins”. Very important job. hCoV-2019 has hijacked this process. This means the virus, if and when it chooses this route, can delete how healthy proteins are folded and potentially destroy whichever unfolded proteins it wants. If and when this happens, the impacts on the health and immune system of the patient would be in serious jeopardy.

Sometimes during a folding process, a protein requires a section to get chopped off. The remnants are usually digested through an enzyme. The thing that does that chopping is called a protease and there is a special one inside of us that the virus has been “working with”. This protease belongs to a DNA gene and is believed to play a role in tumor development.

I am a virologist and we have never seen a virus like this. The best that I can compare this to is cancer. Although there is currently no clinical proof, it seems probable that patients could develop both tumors and or cancer as this virus continues to mutate. The long-term health and medical impacts of any “COVID-19” patients are far-reaching and we only know a fraction of the long-term damage this virus is doing to the human body.

RNA viruses commonly have many single point mutations. As this virus continues to mutate it could possibly make changes to itself as it “learns” and it would “gain” certain “functions”, in terms of how to impact new receptors and evade detection. This is what the HK virologist is referring to when she says “we don’t have much time”.

Anyone knee-deep in the genome of this virus has come to these same conclusions, but we are typically buried with research and tracking incoming genome samples that we do not have time to discuss it with anyone outside of our peers.

Virtually everything I have mentioned is already in various medical journals, it is just that the public is unaware of these things. SARS-CoV1 could only target ACE2

Our plague targets ACE2 (CD143), Basigin (CD147), BiP (GRP78), Furin (PACE), ADAM17, CD4, Cathepsin L, and likely many others that we are not yet aware of.

I have previously read some of the publications that she is part of. She is on the level and should be taken seriously. Her warnings about the CCP are well known but her information about the virus is not well known as we are only discussing this information in groups and in journals, although none of these are secrets.

– I will not be checking follow-ups on this thread

 

I tried to keep this as simple as possible for everyone! Hopefully, this has been informative and helpful to all.

 

Dr. Mayer

  • Wed, Jul 22, 2020 - 04:38am

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Very helpful example and explanation Dy Meyer.  This is scary. The more I learn about this the more I think we should all move to Antarctica.  It was one of the very few places untouched by the 1918 pandemic.
I wonder why it’s been a week now and we’ve not heard anymore, in the news, from this virologist Li-Meng Yan.

  • Wed, Jul 22, 2020 - 06:23am

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I spent a lot of yesterday rereading Dr. Mayer’s posts and reading the references that he and others posted.  His 7/20 post was very unnerving to me.  There is a lot more to be uncovered that we do not know.  I hope we will learn more from Drs. Mayer and Yan.  I also hope Chris and Adam will comment.

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