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The World in 100 Years

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  • Fri, Jul 27, 2018 - 11:09pm   (Reply to #10)

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    ckessel

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    What it be like?

Ok so I’ll put my $.02 worth in here since I have speculated on how this may play out many times in my thoughts.

First, I assume that all of the potential scenarios mentioned have a good likelyhood of occurring but even if they do not I think resource depletion, esp. the master resource (oil)will dictate the outcome.

The exhaustion of fossil fuels (when it finally begins in earnest) will severly impact available food both in production and distribution. That coupled with the depletion of ocean fisheries translates into mass starvation for the majority of mammals on the planet. By 2118 I would expect only small enclaves of humans to exist and they would be clustered where existing hydropower was still functioning.

What happens between now and then is very likely unimaginable to us. It would be interesting to have a time capsule of what happened on Easter Island or in Myan Central America. Will it be different this time?

Coop

  • Sat, Jul 28, 2018 - 12:15am   (Reply to #6)

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    karenf

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    question about nuclear plant

When you say “it’s reasonable safe”  Does it take continuous electricity to keep the spent fuel rods from melting down?  I am wondering if you get intermittant power or no power will the spent fuel rods be unmaintainable?

Thanks!

Karen

  • Sat, Jul 28, 2018 - 05:22am

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    gemel

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    Positive sub plots please

Have a look through history from the start to now. There where some pretty tough down trends, slavery, black death, communisim, mass invasions, mass colonisations, massive wars. We came through each and every time.

Could it be that we will come through this time as well? Maybe there will be another tough lesson to be learnt, but in 100 years we will have an exponential curve, in tech, knowldged and more wisdom from failed experiments.

Unfortunatley on PP there is a concentrated focus on the downtrends, luckily a few years ago I cut the umbillical cord from this website that held me back from many things. One of my main obstacles was I never found a large enough group of like minded individuals, which could make an project viable and moving is not an option and I am also getting old …

Yes there will be a collapse or a massive crash, but I can same the same thing about a car accident in my street, there will eventually be one. (The fact is how much can I do today to immunize myself from it?

I stil have my eye on the ball, and have my “insurance” but this is about 1% of my life now.

In your novel, could you put some positives please?

  • One idea could be where a group of countries basically seal themselves off from the rest to pursue a different way. They would have permaculture cities, high end life extnesion tech and genetically selected childred (maybe to resist some specific disease or nuclear contamination?)
  • Floating / Underwater / underground cities

Humans need hope, as a service to society, your book should shift minds in that direction. Give them some hope for a positive future.

The book the Mandibles could also give some insights.

  • Sat, Jul 28, 2018 - 06:26am   (Reply to #13)

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    gemel, the issue is that all

gemel, the issue is that all of the previous rebounds after crashes happened with as a result of new discoveries of greater and easier sources of energy (hydrocarbons). Now, I think it is clear that there will be no more better sources of energy.

While it might be true that hummanity bounces back after major population declines, it won’t be anything resembling today’s society because we will be limmited by the surplus resources and energy that the immediate ecosystems can provide, which is orders of magnitude less than what we have now. Hydro will also be able to provide us with energy, and likely there will be some coal left over. It seems that everything else that we are pinning our hopes on today doesn’t provide enough net surplus energy and is just being subsidized by the remaining fossil fuels.

  • Sat, Jul 28, 2018 - 09:03am

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    skipr

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    the world in 100 million years

I better not get into what I think it will be like in 100 years.  I think it will be worst than any of us can imagine.

How about this for your next book.  100 million years from now a new humanoid species creates the science of archeology and decides to dig to find out what the past was all about.  But instead of discovering the 5th great extinction’s iridium layer he finds the 6th great extinction’s layer of highly toxic junk.  Since the half life of uranium 238 is 4.5 billion years, this junk will send the newly created Gieger counter off the charts…………

  • Sat, Jul 28, 2018 - 11:38am   (Reply to #13)

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    gemel

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    You may be right.

OK, you maybe right that this might happen in the next 20 years. Will it be a sudden shock or a slow decline? 

In case of a sudden shock there is no amount of planning and prep that an individual can do to save himself in Europe at least. This would cause a societal shift with no return … if that shift comes then civilisation will be suspended or it will be a very thin veil to cover the actions of the few to benefit a very small group of people.

Why? Because once individuals holding weapons realise that the cataclysm is a one way ticket they will use it to their own benefit. 

Do you think that the weapons in government armoires will lie idle while this tragedy unfolds? A man will hungry kids is choices, put a group of them together and the rest of us have a major problem.

Who is the best organised group with the training, in-group loyalty and coordination to water, secure arable land (and their previous owner as their slaves)?

And those small pockets which will be temporarily shielded will have other groups to contend with. Here in Europe we have some sub groups who have very strong in group preference and loyalty they have proven time and again that they are ruthless and willing to harm others for much lesser reasons.

Tell me when faced with these ods why bother?

Of course there are 9 billion reason to warn all the others before but if you have been trying to do this with family and friends for a few years you know the cost and how hard it is.

I have come to the realisation that the situation is baked in. The cake is rolling down the conveyor belt and at each stage it is impossible to separate the previously mixed ingredients.

  • Sat, Jul 28, 2018 - 11:39am   (Reply to #13)

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    You May be right

OK, you maybe right that this might happen in the next 20 years. Will it be a sudden shock or a slow decline? 

In case of a sudden shock there is no amount of planning and prep that an individual can do to save himself in Europe at least. This would cause a societal shift with no return … if that shift comes then civilisation will be suspended or it will be a very thin veil to cover the actions of the few to benefit a very small group of people.

Why? Because once individuals holding weapons realise that the cataclysm is a one way ticket they will use it to their own benefit. 

Do you think that the weapons in government armoires will lie idle while this tragedy unfolds? A man will hungry kids is choices, put a group of them together and the rest of us have a major problem.

Who is the best organised group with the training, in-group loyalty and coordination to water, secure arable land (and their previous owner as their slaves)?

And those small pockets which will be temporarily shielded will have other groups to contend with. Here in Europe we have some sub groups who have very strong in group preference and loyalty they have proven time and again that they are ruthless and willing to harm others for much lesser reasons.

Tell me when faced with these ods why bother?

Of course there are 9 billion reason to warn all the others before but if you have been trying to do this with family and friends for a few years you know the cost and how hard it is.

I have come to the realisation that the situation is baked in. The cake is rolling down the conveyor belt and at each stage it is impossible to separate the previously mixed ingredients.

  • Sat, Jul 28, 2018 - 01:38pm   (Reply to #13)

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    I think there will be a major

I think there will be a major initial shock, when the financial system resets. This could happen anytime. One might wonder: if things are relatively stable today, then how could they suddenly shock downwards and result in major social decay the next week? Nothing physical has changed in the economy, and pretty much everone is fed, so how could the situation change so quickly? It is because of the end of the illusionary social “welfare” system that has been propping us up for decades. I’m not saying “welfare” in a disparaging way, but over the decades we have built up redundant or “useless” economic systems and jobs to absorb the legions of people who would otherwise be unemployed and homeless due to automation displacing jobs with technology. This would basically constitute the entire financial system which doesn’t really do much useful for society except administer the debt-based wealth extraction machine against the masses via mortgages and loans and blowing bubbles. It also drives the economic growth we have seen over the hast half century by pushing people into debt slavery which forces them to work and grow the economy in order to make money for themselves which ultimately just gets transferred to the elites through their debt based finanical system. When debt based money ends or resets, the vast majority of those jobs in the financial sector will disappear, and that is s significant part of the population which currently works in that sector.

Add to this, after the financial shock, economic growth will end because that finanical pozi shcheme driving growth and all the employment it provides to, for example, construciton workers, will quickly cease.

And also add job losses from resetting currencies so that the western countries can no longer run trade deficits and consume stuff made in China simply by printing up imaginary treasury notes.

And add to this losses in government jobs because government tax revenues will be dramatically slashed as half the rest of the workforce loses their jobs.

What I describe above would lead to a sort of Mad Max scenario but I don’t see a viable way out of it that the elites are willing to take (the only way would be for them to voluntarily give up trillions of their accumulated wealth, divide it up and give it bak to the citizens, which I see as a slim to nil chance of happening). This situation is a direct result of the ponzi scheme the elites have built up over the last 50 years and the terrible directions it has taken the economy over those years. It will all come undone quickly.

  • Sat, Jul 28, 2018 - 05:45pm

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    Phil Williams

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    Thank You

Thank you to everyone for your input. Lots of great ideas.

Mark and Gemel’s discussion is very helpful to me. I think you both bring up excellent points. My number one concern with this novel is that I want it to be realistic, but there has to be hope. Otherwise, what’s the point?

I think if I can come up with a scenario that is possible, it doesn’t even have to be likely, but at least possible, then maybe this book can have hope. I’ve been practicing permaculture for a decade now, and there are a ton of things that could be done to help the environment. Reforestation, earthworks, etc… Of course, by and large human beings aren’t doing them.

The big question I suppose is, how do human beings move from dense, high net energy sources, to low net evergy sources? With a massive drop in their standard of living!

  • Sat, Jul 28, 2018 - 06:41pm   (Reply to #13)

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    Life finds a way

Tell me when faced with these ods why bother?

People WILL survive, though maybe not any with your apparent level of determination to do so. surprise Psychological, emotional and spiritual sturdiness and resilience will be the most important characteristics found in the survivors. Always have been. wink

 

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