The whole Catalan mess

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  • Mon, Oct 23, 2017 - 11:47pm

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    sand_puppy

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    Catalonia as blueprint for battle for decentralization

Michael Krieger points out that Catalonia is offering us a blueprint for the battle between forces seeking to centralize versus decentralize power.  This issue may be the big theme of the next decade.

I believe what’s currently happening in Spain represents a crucial microcosm for what we’ll see sweep across the entire planet over the next ten years.

…  It doesn’t matter which side you favor, what matters is that Madrid/Catalonia is an example of the forces of centralization duking it out with forces of decentralization.

Madrid represents the nation-state as we know it, with its leaders claiming Spain is forever indivisible according to the constitution. …

[T]his isn’t coming out of nowhere. Humanity’s current established centralized institutions and nation-states have become clownishly corrupt, merely existing to protect and enrich the powerful/connected as opposed to benefiting the population at large. As such, legitimacy has been shattered and people have begun to demand a new way.

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Other quotes from this issue

 

“No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?”
George Orwell, Animal Farm

“This work was strictly voluntary, but any animal who absented himself from it would have his rations reduced by half.”
George Orwell, Animal Farm

 

  • Tue, Oct 24, 2017 - 12:26am

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    decentralization

I agree with the concept.  A lower energy situation probably ends up – eventually – with a lot more power moved down to the local level.  "States rights", as it were.

The cartels will not be pleased – they really like the one-stop-shopping experience provided by our current Congress.

Catalonia may end up providing a learning opportunity for the central planners.  It is better to grant some independence and retain the province, vs. playing hardball and indirectly causing a revolution.  I think Madrid's actions have pushed a number of people from "oh we should probably stay" to "gosh, what a bunch of jerks!"

Armstrong had this observation:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/europes-current-economy/rajoy-continues-to-act-in-the-spirit-of-franco-warning-spain-cannot-be-trusted/

Behind closed doors, many are becoming very disturbed by the action of Madrid. They fear this is spilling over as a contagion within Europe for populist movements. The election in the Czech Republic with the overwhelming vote against the EU many fear will be repeated next year in Italy and much of the finger-pointing behind the closed doors our sources are calling Rajoy a “f**king idiot” to directly quote some political sources.

  • Fri, Oct 27, 2017 - 08:21pm

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    Catalan leaders to be charged with Rebellion

I appreciate DaveF's observations about the unwillingness of the oligarchy to let the Catalonian milk-cow wonder free of the barn.

The oligarchy lives by skimming from the entire milk production and distribution process.  Thus, both the milk drinkers and the oligarchy have much to lose by letting the milk-cow choose its own life direction.

I also appreciate the observation that self-determination is considered an unalienable right of all human beings granted by the creator.  It is a self-evident truth.  A given.  Closely related to basic equality of all human beings.  It is now deeply embedded in the Western sense of justice.  This is a GREEN Meme and higher perspective (YELLOW, TURQUOIS).

But this is true, at least in the west, at this point in history.

But BLUE Meme thinks very differently.  BLUE believes in hierarchies and the rightness of the superior group to rule.  For example:  aristocracy over the commoners, the Brahmin over the untouchables, Our race over "those savages,"  the plantation owner over his slaves, and men over women (in some cultures).  Sometimes it is "God" who imparts this superiority, sometimes, "Natural Laws."

RED Meme also thinks differently.  RED believes in the rule of might.  The strong dominate the weak and rule by force.  The strong rightfully rule the weak.

Dominator hierarchies are much more enjoyable for the dominators than the dominatees.  Until we humans have the experiences of being in both roles and reflect on how this all works, we are not likely to grow out of this BLUE and RED Memes into GREEN, where the equality of all persons is self-evident.

So, I expect the EU to wear the mask of GREEN (we are doing this for the good of the children), but to preserve and extend the dominator hierarchy with themselves as dominators, using as much ruthlessly as is needed.

 

 

  • Fri, Oct 27, 2017 - 09:10pm

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    a structural problem

Thanks SP.

The "meme" problems stem from the structure of the EU itself.  The gang in charge aren't elected, and as such, they don't actually need to be responsive to the people they allegedly lead – and so they aren't.

Instead, they are responsive to the politicians from the richest nations, who provide the money for the project to operate.  Money is the life blood of any project.  No money = no project = no role for them personally = no power, no salary, and no pensions.  So when Merkel speaks, they listen.  The rest is just window dressing.

Its all about the money.  Notice the big sticking point with BRExit.  "Pay us our divorce fee" is the #1 issue.  Not jobs for the people of Germany – its about money to fund the project.  Salaries, pensions, continuity of the bureaucracy.  10% of the EU budget is leaving, and the gang in charge (whose salaries come directly from that budget) are not pleased.

Its BLUE wrapped in GREEN.

 

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