the unvaccinated *will* be rounded up

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  • Wed, Nov 17, 2021 - 10:54pm   (Reply to #3)

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    They can’t leave Jim…

Nudged can’t leave because nudged knows that this is closest their going to get to a truth driven resiliency network and community. I will not argue that once Chris gained the traction from his COVID content, the flood gates were opened and the tribe grew exponentially (I include myself in that bunch). I think it has both benefits and costs.

A groupthink like this needs diversity — different backgrounds, perspectives, subject matter expertise, etc. A community like this can’t thrive if the mechanism that drives the forum is skewed toward a particular school of thought. To be honest that was the draw for me.. such a melting pot of different and unfiltered views and ideas. You just can’t get that anywhere else. But I’ve seen a shift in the forum discussions even in the little time that I’ve been here. And it may just be a sign of the times, maybe it’s the landscape of the website, but everything just feels scattered. A lot of mainstream and surface level thinking has made its way into the website. That large influx of members most certainly contributes and it makes it difficult to navigate through the waves of noise.

 

But that said, I still believe power is in the numbers and I hope that folks don’t lose sight of the goal. This isn’t about the information we gather but rather what we’re able to do with it. This community is about walking the walk, not talking the talk (or at least I thought). Bickering over the minutia will get us nowhere. The stakes are too high and we’re too deep in the game to war against ourselves. Yes we must organize, but we must not tear each other down in the process. Because this is closest we have to a world-wide militia that can fight back.

  • Thu, Nov 18, 2021 - 02:22am

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    the unvaccinated *will* be rounded up

Be the change you want to see in the world. Do not comply.

  • Thu, Nov 18, 2021 - 08:12am

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I’m inclined to agree also. Europe is imo devolving in a defacto fascist society *see below at a lightening speed. I hope to have my company up and running before the fall next year. I expect forced vaccinations, despite the massive amount of adversed reactions. I’m carefully starting to investigate the possibility to emigrate, the only trouble is, where to, maybe Texas? This all depends on the reach of the Pharma Demon, and on geopolitical developments…

The way I see it, there are only three things that can “save” us; I think that we have to have a different situation before next winter, if we cannot make things change by than, I truly believe that we are all lost

  1. civil war (god forbid; plus, the dynamics are imo such that more time will be needed before our societies will devolve into civil wars)
  2. massive amounts of deaths due to the boosters this winter (I’m kind of OK with that to be honest. There is more at risk than individual deaths, I believe that we are on the path to full fledged fascistic states *see below)
  3. “the hammer of awareness”. Although I sometimes bitch about the foreign policy of the US, I do believe that the US populace and foundational principles are indeed peoples best hope for the world. The project that Chris is now involved in could only happen in one place imo.

In terms of casualties, I estimate that number 2 –a massive amount of deaths due to the vaccines– will be the least impactful in terms of WW casualties for the next decade. If the latest studies are correct about the halving of the duration of the booster effectiveness, mass awakening could take place before next winter. There is no way the MSM can hide this. The other possibilities either take too long, or they require a clash with the beneficiaries of the current state of affairs.

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*  I do not mean the “fascism” as redefined by the MSM and the woketards, but fascism as defined by Mussolini himself (source):

“Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” — Benito Mussolini

edit: the quote is not by Mussolini btw. A similar statement could be found in a document of his ghost writer Giovanni Gentile. Imo it doesn’t matter, it is about the message…

and elaborated here (source):

The 14 characteristics are:

  1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
    Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
  2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
    Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.” The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
  3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
    The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
  4. Supremacy of the Military
    Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
  5. Rampant Sexism
    The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
  6. Controlled Mass Media
    Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
  7. Obsession with National Security
    Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
  8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
    Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government’s policies or actions.
  9. Corporate Power is Protected
    The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
  10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .
  11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
  12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
  13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
  14. Fraudulent Elections
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

 

 

 

  • Thu, Nov 18, 2021 - 09:15am

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    the unvaccinated *will* be rounded up

Hi MsSmith and Kathy:

I keep wondering what the trigger will be as well.  And of course, there may be more than one.  But my heart tells me it will be the vaccine injuries among the children, because of all the evils being perpetrated, that is the most heinous.

Society is based on shared trust and shared responsibility, and there is no greater violation of that trust and responsibility than harming children.  The elites underestimate us.  You take the most civic-minded mild mannered person and you can overtax them, curtail their freedoms for bullshit reasons, insult them, and methodically destroy their savings.  And most will just take it.  But harm the children?  Parents and grandparents will gut you like a fish.

 

 

  • Thu, Nov 18, 2021 - 09:19am

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    Dontknownothin

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DaveDD,

I don’t disagree with most of those points, and I know they are quoted from elsewhere. But the main crux of fascism is the dominance of government over all other aspects of society. The same goes for communism. Same for theocracy. All are merely different faces of the same idea of centralized totalitarian control. While fascism takes it roots from the alliance between economics and government, the fascist state is dominant over economic interests. It merely pays lip service to (using the tools of) religion and morality. Co-opting the dogma rather than the moral principles of religion and using peoples inability to distinguish between the two as a means of granting themselves moral authority. But the fourth corner of that tetrahedral dynamic is science, which too is co-opted by the machinations of an all powerful central government. As we can see clearly from the societal decay all around every one of us, this is the clear catalyst of such a power in all our western societies. I think you are right about the rise of fascism, but worse yet it is the merger of all three of those philosophies in the world today that is bringing about our total collapse.

But to the chief argument of this thread, it is most likely that the unvaccinated will NOT be ubiquitously rounded up. In this key point each of us can read our respective environments and see what is happening in the societies we live in. Brushog is correct, his area most likely will NOT see the unvaxxed rounded up. Most likely the same for mine. The US is a prickly porcupine full of guns and that scotch-irish character flaw of resistance to authority. It is also too big and too unmanageable for a totalitarian state to take root anywhere but in geographically isolated and densely populated areas. But conversely, a nation like Australia: disarmed and in densely populated pockets on an inhospitable continent, it is VERY likely to occur. In western europe too, where rebelliousness has been stamped out of the population for centuries, and most of those states are disarmed and densely populated, civil war is going to be a bloody and disasterous affair and I think the fascists will win for at least a time and there will very likely be gulags again filled with the non-homogenized thinkers and genetic outliers.

I think we can’t say absolutely that anything will or will not happen. Those with this single minded goal will not give up their grip oon power so easily, and they will not take defeat at any level so lightly. They are proud, they are powerful, and they are old… so they really only get one chance at this, and they are all in on this one hand. What that means to each of our respective regions will be different, but its a certainty SOME will be rounded up, and SOME will be left alone. Just plan for the worst, and hope for the best. That’s really all we can do.

  • Thu, Nov 18, 2021 - 10:37am

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    Andy in the Sun

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@Helix2

it is a principle since 1000+ years – your children are your eternity. Some say its even in the genes…. saying this means people might compromise more or less on their present comfort… but not on their eternity.

However, the club who likes to see a reduced population sees it different. If you or I die… well one man dies who would have died in a handful (or two or three) years anyway. But if a child dies…. the potential children of the child and the grandchildren and so on die too. A whole bloodline dies – and that counts for them.

This goes through my mind when I see the vaxxination push on kids despite the staggering cases in myocarditis.

  • Thu, Nov 18, 2021 - 02:20pm

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Hi Dontknownothin,

Actually, I fully agree with your additions and fine-graining: the “tetrahedral dynamics”, there are more “institutions” in play now —wow, just wow: tetrahedral dynamic— from now one I will use this and similar geometric description of “power” dynamics. Also, you are most definitely right about the differences between the US, Europe, and Australia, I’m too focused on the rather scary developments in Europe, my bad.

Btw, I’m actually not kidding about my investigation into emigration to a “gun toting” state like Texas. I give myself nine months to prepare for “emergency evacuation” of me, and hopefully my wife and children…I prepare for the worst,  ut hope for the best, indeed indeed

  • Thu, Nov 18, 2021 - 04:56pm

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    the unvaccinated *will* be rounded up

Get out while the gettin’s good. Cause when you need to it’s going to be very tough and few will be willing to risk assisting you.

  • Thu, Nov 18, 2021 - 05:29pm

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….Personally our guns fell into a lake in an unfortunate boating accident so we will be unable to protect ourselves.

Hey Friedrichs, I am wondering the water seems to be a really dangerous place… so many boating accidents.   In whatever forum I am peeking around, people loosing their most valued stuff in boating accidents – antiques, defense equipment, gold etc.  😀

Hmm, but it might be true… even the Spaniards lost a lot in their voyages aka. “boating accidents” so that we still, after 500 years, find a lot of stuff (inclusive gold) on the bottom of the seas.

However… to be honest I am getting more and more the suspicion that the sea might be one – if not the last – refuge for us.  I would rather spend my life on a small catamaran hopping between the pacific islands then “enjoying my life in a health camp behind an electric fence. Would like to hear your idea about this… if your boating accident experiences have not scared you to the bone already. 😀

 

@ Dave & Dontknkow,

looking from the distance and observing the geopolitical theater I am getting the feeling that all the strict measures in Australia are put in place having a potential other conflict in mid.  -> I mean china.

Since Australia would be relative on the front line… could it be that the pandemic is used as an exercise to prepare the public for drastic measures that might come and the coherence that will be required?

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