The risks of China taking over Taiwan

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    The risks of China taking over Taiwan

Hello forum. I’m relatively new to posting here, but I’ve been watching Chris’ videos regularly since early last year. I’d like to bring up a topic which I believe is relevant to being prepared and resilient. If we want to be prepared for all eventualities, we also need to be prepared for the possibility that China either invades Taiwan, or, which I think may now be more likely and would be even more devastating, takes it over e.g. by subverting their democratic process, either through fraudulent elections or by pressuring the electorate – “either vote for a pro-unification candidate or we will obliterate you” – more devastating because countering an invasion can be morally justified but you cannot really do anything about the result of an election while keeping the moral high ground. I believe that any of these scenarios could happen very soon – at any time, in fact – and is most likely to happen before there is a new President in the U.S., and maybe before the U.S. mid-term elections.

While I have seen politicians comment that “if China takes Taiwan, it’s game over”, they don’t seem to understand why it’s game over, and even less so why the game is over immediately. They go on to add “because that would embolden China to start taking over other countries” etc. In reality, if China takes over Taiwan, they don’t need to take over any other country. They will already have achieved total world domination. At that point, they can literally force us into the stone age if we don’t comply with their demands – they can not only push us to a state before the information revolution, they can push us to a pre-industrial and pre-agricultural revolution era. The reason is TSMC, Taiwan’s main semiconductor manufacturer which makes 60% of all the world’s semiconductors and 80% of the most advanced ones – including all Apple CPUs, all AMD CPUs, all nVidia and AMD GPUs, and more. Without such chips, we have no computers, no automated manufacturing lines, no modern agriculture, no agricultural machinery, no military hardware. No power stations, no water. There is no way to transfer all that production elsewhere – there is no manufacturing capacity, and no one else has the necessary advanced technology – not even Intel. I go into all the numbers and details in my longer article to which I link below. I think we can bet our bottom dollar that our politicians won’t do anything to save us from this eventuality – we have to take measures to prepare ourselves. Your thoughts? Am I missing something? Why is no one talking about this? PS I’m aware of the counter-leverage the West (more specifically, the Netherlands) has through the ASML monopoly, but I don’t think that’s enough.

Zooming In (Simone Gao) published this article of mine in August 2021

https://www.zoomingin.tv/post/chinese-takeover-of-taiwan-an-existential-threat-to-the-west

But I’ve been warning about this for a year and a half – earlier articles from 2020 published by The Free Nations and The Sarkee Times:

TAIWAN TECHNOLOGY THE WESTERN ECONOMY AND THE THREAT FROM CHINA 

http://www.thesarkeetimes.com/?p=554

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Globalists, intelligence agencies, medical authorities & our own governments are currently committing biological/psychological/economic warfare & medical nihilism on the citizens of the West – so I can see why they would like to stoke up patriotism to pull the wool over even further….

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Good questions! Are people just so focused on oil and cybersecurity and, of course, viruses, that they can’t think about this?  Or is it that people who speak about it are shut down so that the rest are blindsided?  Maybe the complexity of the supply chain is just too much, although it doesn’t seem that complex the way you describe it.

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    The risks of China taking over Taiwan

I don’t know a lot here, and on one hand, I see your point. On the other, I’m skeptical of China’s non-passive military power.

China has a weak military and is dealing with a lot of inner conflict. The only way they could take Taiwan is if the US allowed them. Stopping China would be as easy as stepping aside and letting Japan. China has certain advantages, but people vastly overestimate their military, and they would have to deal with the repercussion’s.

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US will not let China take Taiwan militarily.  If that was allowed to happen, people would (rightly) see it as the US abandoning their ally, and would IMO fatally undermine confidence in the US$.  Which would be the end…

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    The risks of China taking over Taiwan

TSMC May Charter its Own Boxship to Transport Chip-Making Equipment

https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/tsmc-may-charter-its-own-boxship-to-transport-chip-making-equipment

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emdashtheory-  Agree that in some ways China has a weak military, but you cannot discount the “all in” mindset when trying to anticipate their moves.

Confucian philosophy teaches the eldest rules over the youngest. According to them, they are the longest running current culture, and as such, they are entitled to rule over everyone. This is drilled into all citizens from day one. All sacrifices are for the collective good.  While individuals in private might let slip they feel otherwise, the societal pressure backed up by the police/ Chung gua will enforce the CCP’s will. You will comply or die. They are long game players who keep their cards close.

Skill in combat? With stolen tech from the back doors allowed by crooked US politicians combined with the bonanza left in Afghanistan of military equipment, don’t count their military out. Tech may win the day if their jamming devices or other disabling back doors are operational. I don’t need tons of skills then. They can crank out some stuff in short order if the CCP turns on the labor force.

China is not like other militaries where you move up in ranks with initiative. Most of the lower ranks are farm boys, who can be incredible tough and horrifically cruel.  The majority of officers are the elites’ children placed there by the party. If you’re given orders to capture something, you’d better do it or die tying; there’s no retreat. The high officers don’t mind when the underlings die as they were peasants anyway. Officially all citizens are conscripted. The military comes and “trains” college students on campus as Freshman.

Their generals often allude to the fact they can overwhelm the enemy with shear numbers to win. Killing a few million helps their population/ resource issues, besides it’s “any cost is OK .” Although Taiwanese are supposedly C citizens, literally murdering every single occupant of Taiwan to steal their stuff and keep the infrastructure untouched is within their wheel house. Personally I think they’ll keep some T as skilled workers for the chip factories, etc. Never miss the opportunity to get free slaves.

The Western world is getting a taste of the totalitarian control that has been exercised in China since Mao. These people have been bullied, tortured, and murdered for generations if they step out of line. Also famine has been used to remove troublesome ethnic groups or gain land. Per my Mongolian friend,”the Chinese people make good slaves.” Meaning they will do what they have to for survival. If the leaders tell them to fight hand to hand, they will, not because they want to, but because there is no choice.

Look at Australia- Who would have ever believed the cranky Aussies would submit to the control they’re under now? And this is without openly murdering folks or famine. What do you think they’ll be like in a year?  Imagine this type of oppression for generations. Think it would change things?

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I don’t disagree that if China takes Taiwan we are, F*cked.

The one thing I read that makes sense is if the CCP sends a bunch of those one child policy sons off to war they will have a bunch of old people with nothing left to lose very angry at them.

Kathy

  • Sat, Oct 16, 2021 - 11:01pm   (Reply to #8)

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    The risks of China taking over Taiwan

Hohot,

I think we’re looking at it the wrong way. We are already in a real war, (imo) it began with Covid as a bioweapon, and psychological tactics. China is ahead in the sense that they are fighting smarter. They have strong footing in our government and corporations, and by extension of that, the west, and this affects Taiwan (think cognitive warfare and sock puppets). They are using covid to their advantage and weakening the west by focusing and preparing for continued supply chain intervention.

If/when china moves in, I don’t think there will be as much fighting as a simple takeover using “Build Back Better” leverage and supply chokepoints, and it won’t be as much China alone, but the overall regime. China isn’t strong enough on their own for a direct fight. Their country is breaking in half.

When it comes to invading countries, I think it’s much more likely they will continue and move in on Afghanistan and the middle east, and through africa, weaker areas with less protection by world powers.

Maybe china will attack Taiwan tomorrow, but I don’t see this happening unless there is a major distraction underway for the west. On the other side of things, they already have major influence in western politics and corporate power. I just don’t think it’s going to be that direct with major army and navy conflict when they have the ability to shift things using political power, chemical and biological weapons, and psychological attacks.

I don’t think we’re there yet. Things have to get weakened more, and China has to be able to withstand their own threats as well. They are a crafty people, no doubt.

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Some of you are obviously unaware China now has the largest modern navy in the world.  They are dominant in the maritime shipping industry.  China will have no problem taking Taiwan.  War games conducted by our own Pentagon show that in a war over Taiwan, we lose badly and fast.  https://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2021/07/were-designing-ourselves-to-lose.html

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