The Refugee Tsunami in Europe

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  • Tue, Dec 22, 2015 - 08:39pm

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    Nice to know Americans are

Nice to know Americans are pushing for the break up of the EU.

Pity it would probably be followed by the break up of the US.

Then maybe they'll find out, at last, what serious inter-state warfare is like.

When I was at college we had a visit from a German lady who was a refugee after the war. The purpose of her visit was to describe the mass rape that she experienced by the Red Army, drunk and wandering through the refugee camp doing what they wanted.

Of course the Germans had done the same sort of thing as they ploughed through the eastern front.

Readily Available Sex

Today, we easily forget that the majority of the Wehrmacht soldiers went abroad for the first time as a result of the war. When the Nazis came into power, less than 4 percent of Germans in the Reich had passports. For these men, the charms of life in another country, far away from their wives and children, included exotic food and the excitement of armed conflict, as well as the enjoyment of readily available sex. It's no accident that many tended to romanticize their memories after the fact.

Müller: "When I was in Kharkov (in present-day Ukraine ), everything was destroyed except the center of the city. A wonderful city, a wonderful memory. All the people there spoke a little German, which they had learned in school. And in Taganrog (in Russia ) there were wonderful cinemas and wonderful beach cafés. I went everywhere in a truck. And all you saw were women doing compulsory labor."

Fausst: "Oh, my God!"

Müller: "They were building roads, drop-dead gorgeous girls. So we drove by, pulled them into the truck, screwed them and them threw them out again. Boy, they sure cursed at us."

While accounts of mass rape provoked at most a mild rebuke from their conversation partners, a number of soldiers clearly still felt that the sexual violence at times reached a limit which should be respected, even in the locker-room environment of the POW camp.

Sadistic Sexual Violence

 

The material contains a series of descriptions of acts of sexual violence so sadistic that modern-day readers would find them difficult to bear. As a rule, they are told in the third person, a tactic that the teller uses to distance himself from the story he is telling. Sometimes he also makes it clear that what he saw or heard disgusts him.

Reimbold: "In the first officers' prison camp where I was being kept here, there was a really stupid guy from Frankfurt , a young lieutenant, a young upstart. There were eight of us sitting around a table and talking about Russia . And he said: 'Oh, we caught this female spy who had been running around in the neighborhood. First we hit her in the tits with a stick and then we beat her rear end with a bare bayonet. Then we fucked her, and then we threw her outside and shot at her. When she was lying there on her back, we threw grenades at her. Every time one of them landed near her body, she screamed.' And just think, there were eight German officers sitting at that table with me, and they all broke out laughing. I couldn't stand it anymore, so I got up and said: Gentlemen, this is too much."

We've had a break from that stuff for 70 years. Please offer reasons why that won't be repeated ?

Robotised warfare in which humans don't take part ? Some other beneficent international body will regulate the nations of the former EU ? In the 2050 all nations will rule their citizens and soldiers by neural implants and rape won't be permitted by soldiers any more ? Nationalists are by nature fundamentally too damned morally upright to ever allow such things by their noble armies ?

Any other dreams ?

I notice a town in Ukraine has recently got itself a new nazi mayor.

Hmm. Well it can't be like when the USSR broke up can it ? I mean, the people who now populate the "EUSSR" are some special people, right ?

 

  • Tue, Dec 22, 2015 - 09:56pm

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    War, war, everywhere….eh Blob?

Guess we are all Palestinians now, huh?

  • Wed, Dec 23, 2015 - 12:24am

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    Re: Your microaggression

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Take Japan. How are we going to get  them to spend up big on the coca cola red jolly pedophile at midwinter solstice if they remain determinedly Japanese?

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Please leave Satan Claus out of this.

  • Wed, Dec 23, 2015 - 01:20am

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    pushing for it?

Nice to know Americans are pushing for the break up of the EU.

How inflammatory. Pushing for the break up of the EU? We are concerned. I am concerned. My motivation in posting these articles is to keep an eye on the situation. Europe is our largest trading partner; I want them to thrive. If they go down it will not only hurt them it will hurt us, probably in a domino effect of global economic depression. Yet the refugees are in a horrible plight, and some may be being used by everyone from the powers that be to perhaps terrorist cells.

I disagree with your earlier assessment about what started this migration, but for now remember the core values of this site are the Three Es: the Environment, the Energy, and the Economy. People are fleeing wars, drought, lack of opportunity caused by peak oil . . and I wish them well. But they are fleeing to a region that has tried (much as the USA has) to continue to live as if growth will solve everything, when growth was caused by cheap energy and cheap energy is done. Europe is so deeply in debt that they are effectively bankrupt. as is the USA, as is the UK.  I have even put my money where my mouth is and sent money to help refugees. My sister in Sweden is helping, too. But we live in a finite world with finite resources. Admittedly, it's like watching a train wreck, but my husband and I do what little we can What have you done, Carbon Blob, other be angry and try to find people to blame?

Perhaps you're young and think  you can make much of a difference with angry posturing. Try actions: help someone if you cannot help everyone.

Yes, we might spin apart as well some day here in the USA but this thread is about a situation in Europe. There are other threads about the situation in the States.

  • Wed, Dec 23, 2015 - 01:46am

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    Nuts

I'm with Toffler, Asimov and McKenna on this issue. 

Toffler says "Future Shock"

Asimov "De-facto one-world government"

Mckenna "It's a Fire in a Madhouse" as one approaches the time to leave the planet. (The mushrooms told him)

The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Don't the facts bear these seers out? 

 





  • Wed, Dec 23, 2015 - 04:32am

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    Coming to Terms

I take most of what is happening to be part of an initial wave of the ape-pig hybrid awakening to the 3E predicament (consciously and unconsciously). A certain mindset is always on the lookout for advantage. Problem-Reaction-Solution. And what a problem, the best one yet! 

Control and power…both illusions. They work until they don't.

Riding this down successfully? Bwa-hah-hah-hah…

  • Wed, Dec 23, 2015 - 04:45am

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    Beautiful response, Wendy.

Beautiful response, Wendy.  It deserved more than a simple thumbs up.

I'm starting to wonder if the Blob has any purpose here, other than trying to get under everyone's skin. 

  • Wed, Dec 23, 2015 - 07:29am

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    “Oh I say, steady on.”

Egos please. Let's play the ball and not the man.

PP has cut me a lot of slack in the past. And I have grown because of it. My ego  is much less fragile than it was. 

Give Bob the same opportunity you gave me. 

  • Wed, Dec 23, 2015 - 08:34am

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    shoot the messenger

CB's enthusiasm to blame whatever war might appear on those who point out the systemic failure issues in the current EU structure is just a case of shooting the messenger who brings bad news.

The EU system is poorly designed for the nations involved in the project.  Its not democratic in the slightest, there is no common language, no common culture, no common philosophy of the social contract, no shared views on immigration, its policies are largely dictated by France and Germany, and the only real carrot that keeps the thing together is the Shengen Zone mobility which the poorer nations think is grand, since it allows Greek doctors to go work in German hospitals.

But any unforeseen event causes the whole system to lock up.  And these days, there are a lot of unforeseen events, and I expect there to be even more of them as time goes on.

Why not revert back to the EC, during which there were no wars?  Sure its a lot of fuss and bother, but the loose confederation seems to suit the wide disparity in strength and culture of the member nations a whole lot better.

And if one nation wants to experiment with socialism, or devalue their currency, it won't hurt anyone else.  That's true freedom – the freedom to sort out your own economic destiny – which right now just doesn't exist, except for Germany of course.

The best news is, my thoughts don't matter.  The logic of events will have their way with the EU in the fullness of time.  But the longer people cling to an unworkable (unsustainable) system, the bigger the SNAP will be when things finally let go.  The only thing that can be controlled now is the severity of the SNAP, not whether or not the breakup will take place.  That's true about everything of course.  I'm just applying it to the EU in this discussion here.

 

  • Wed, Dec 23, 2015 - 11:24am

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    Again it’s scapegoating to

Again it's scapegoating to say that these refugees are going to destroy Europe. Europe is 500,000,000 the refugees are 1,000,000.

So resource-wise your looking at 0.2% demand growth even if they all take up the same resource use as anyone else.

The UK is pretty full – given the immense internal EU immigration. That means there are gaps of millions of people in migrant donor countries around Europe. It's the nationalist ideology of places like Hungary that is the problem. Poland wants to give migrants but not take them. Brown faces are a new experience for them and it's time they got used to seeing a few around the place.

But your links weren't about resources, they were about foreign rapists. I didn't realise Breitbart and the Gatestone institute were environmentalists, I thought they were ultra-right wing propaganda organisations and sources of – well – angry posturing trying to stir up some race hate. James Woolsey is a Gatestone guy, and now he's in on drilling for fossil fuels in the Golan heights. When those pipelines get built, he's going to be profiting from all this. Cui bono ?

And when those pipelines get built that means extra energy for all those new bodies in Europe. In as much as it's a resource war, it's for gas for Europe.

What do Dick Cheney, James Woolsey, Bill Richardson, Jacob Lord Rothschild, Rupert Murdock, Larry Summers and Michael Steinhardt have in common? They all are members of the Strategic Advisory Board of a Newark, New Jersey-based oil and gas group with the name, Genie Energy.

In 2013, as Genie Energy began moving into Golan Heights, Israeli military engineers overhauled the forty-five mile border fence with Syria, replacing it with a steel barricade that includes barbed wire, touch sensors, motion detectors, infrared cameras, and ground radar, putting it on par with the Wall Israel has constructed in the West Bank.

Now, as Damascus fights for its life, apparently, Genie has discovered a huge oil field precisely there.

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Board of Advisors

According to the Gatestone Institute website, the organization is currently forming its Board of Advisors.[1] Nobel Peace Prize laureate and Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel, former Central Intelligence Agency Director R. James Woolsey, Jr., Hebrew University professor Petra Heldt[16] and publisher Ahmed Charai[17] are the first individuals to be named to the board.[1]

And here he is getting everyone off of oil and battling the cold war. We're all going to get hydrogen cars and give Ivan a bloody nose. Except me, I'm skint and dont drive. I have an exemplary carbon footprint for a European.

https://youtu.be/FKV5Bv-kSRo

The best news is, my thoughts don't matter.  The logic of events will have their way with the EU in the fullness of time.

What's best about that ? You actually look forward to a massive disaster ? What are you a genocidal maniac ? There's more to nationalist sentiment than simply exiting the EU. That would only be the start.

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