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  • Wed, Nov 18, 2009 - 03:15am

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       Haiti  will just make you cry ,  My friends go several times a year on a medical mission  and we are  building and supporting a few  orphanages and schools  These structures are cement block with tin or tile roofs,  everything must be shipped . We  then send medical supplies , school supplies , clothes , toys  etc.   We built foot pumps so they can have drinking water .   No way that we Americans can even imagine  living like this .    Tomorrow night we will  get a report on how things are going .  I could not even see their resources .

  • Wed, Nov 18, 2009 - 03:23am

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From earthwise:

Thers’s a larger point to be seen here, namely the malfeasance on the part of the GW advocates who even after shown their errors, refused to correct them! Science?

In view of the other link covering the fraud regarding the Yamal Penninsula trees, it would appear to some that environmental hoaxes are becoming more and more commonplace.

From damnthematrix:

And re the melting glaciers, here’s where you can see it happening with your own eyes…:

Well, the Indian scientists on the mountain disagree. Some consensus. Besides, the video only shows a commentator giving us his opinion that they are melting and his opinion that it’s caused by GW. Not very convincing. Also, the commentator indicated that the glacier melt started in the ’60’s, and as I remember it, that’s when scientists were scaring us with global cooling. You folks need to get your story straight. No wonder we’re confused.

Here is the text of Newsweek’s 1975 story on the trend toward global cooling. It may look foolish today, but in fact world temperatures had been falling since about 1940. It was around 1979 that they reversed direction and resumed the general rise that had begun in the 1880s, bringing us today back to around 1940 levels. A PDF of the original is available here.

http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

  • Wed, Nov 18, 2009 - 03:33am

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Interesting article here:

16 November 2009

The Paradox of Apocalypse Fatigue

Apocalypse Fatigue: Losing
the Public on Climate Change

Even as the climate science becomes more definitive, polls show that public concern in the United States about global warming has been declining. What will it take to rally Americans behind the need to take strong action on cutting carbon emissions?

 

  • Wed, Nov 18, 2009 - 04:07pm

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damnthematrix tells me

You are one SCARY son of a gun……

Why do people keep telling me that? First it was my mom, then the sentencing judge. But at least the prison psychiatrist tells me I’m doing better. Maybe I’ll get out someday.

  • Thu, Nov 19, 2009 - 03:48pm

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Hi matrix.  never mind the flap over the copenhagen treaty, which i agree is a misrepresentation of facts.  consider the following.  you may not think like this, but very powerful deciders (yes, a real word) actually do:

 

http://green-agenda.com/globalrevolution.html

 In The First Global Revolution the Club of Rome claimed that the time to act had run out. It was now or never. Delay in beginning corrective measures will increase the damage to the world ecological system and ultimately reduce the human population that will eventually be supportable. They also stated that democratic governments are far too short-sighted to deal with the ‘problematique’ and new forms of governance are urgently required.

In order not too violate any copyright protection I will not reproduce the text of the book on this site. However, it is permissible for me to quote a brief excerpt in the context of this wider discussion. The complete text (third ed.) can be read and searched online at Google Books. As you read the following quote (from page 75, first ed.), please remember the names of the leaders listed above. This is not some quirky little cult. This is the stated agenda of the leaders of the environmental movement: 


This is the stated agenda of the leaders of the environmental movement: 

This is the way we are setting the scene for mankind’s encounter with the planet. The opposition between the two ideologies that have dominated the 20th century has collapsed, forming their own vacuum and leaving nothing but crass materialism.

It is a law of Nature that any vacuum will be filled and therefore eliminated unless this is physically prevented. “Nature,” as the saying goes, “abhors a vacuum.” And people, as children of Nature, can only feel uncomfortable, even though they may not recognize that they are living in a vacuum. How then is the vacuum to be eliminated? 

It would seem that humans need a common motivation, namely a common adversary, to organize and act together in the vacuum; such a motivation must be found to bring the divided nations together to face an outside enemy, either a real one or else one invented for the purpose.

New enemies therefore have to be identified.
New strategies imagined, new weapons devised.

The common enemy of humanity is man.

In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.

The old democracies have functioned reasonably well over the last 200 years, but they appear now to be in a phase of complacent stagnation with little evidence of real leadership and innovation

Democracy is not a panacea. It cannot organize everything and it is unaware of its own limits. These facts must be faced squarely. Sacrilegious though this may sound, democracyis no longer well suited for the tasks ahead. The complexity and the technical nature of many of today’s problems do not always allow elected representatives to make competent decisions at the right time.

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King Pin I take it you do not believe the “enlightened intellectuals” are far more wise than us common folks?

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generally, no.  but sadly, from a certain perspective, i can understand how they could think that way, if they truly believed in the impending collision of resources and limits, as per what we find in the crash course (that, of course, and the idea that they need to retain their status as the alpha dogs – which is where i would diverge).

 

whether climate change be real or unreal, natural or man made, there are those who sit at the round tables, planning to take advantage of it, one way or the other.  and yes, it is a fact, that criminals have set up the proposed cap and trade market – flat out crooks.  even if the concept were brilliant, it needs to be slowed down and much more heavily scrutinized before being implemented.

 

of course, an SEC and JD with teeth and a conscience would be a prerequisite for anything like honesty or integrity forming the foundations of any new structures aimed at managing the coming ‘crash’.  and right now, that is no where in sight.

so i fear for the worst.

 

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With Hurricanes At Thirty Year Low, Gore Turns To Photoshop

With the increasingly discredited notion of man-made global warming crashing and burning on a daily basis, climate alarmists are being forced to accelerate their fearmongering to unprecedented levels. With the evidence failing to match up to the doomsday proclamations, Al Gore has turned to photoshop in order to make a CO2-choked earth look scary enough to sell his cap and trade scam.

The latest example of climate cult fakery comes in the form of the front cover of Al Gore’s new book, Our Choice; A Plan To Solve The Climate Crisis.

Shortly after the devastation of Katrina, Al Gore was busy making a correlation between hurricanes and global warming in an effort to drive home his claim that higher global CO2 emissions cause an increase in extreme weather events. The cover art for Gore’s movie, An Inconvenient Truth, features an image of a hurricane rising out of a smoke stack.

Seemingly underwhelmed that there have been no major hurricanes since Katrina, along with the fact that global hurricane activity is now at a thirty year low, Gore came up with an ingenious method of solving the problem of the lack of scary depictions of frightening hurricanes to display on his book – simply airbrush them in!

Ryan Maue, hurricane expert from the University of Florida writes  A midget Southern Hemisphere cyclone is off the coast of Florida, another hurricane is sitting on the equator off the coast of Peru — and the Arctic Ice is gone (perhaps it is summer) and the Florida Peninsula is half gone.  There are other differences I am sure you can find — but the hurricanes are just nonsense…

This represents another grasping at straws as Gore adapts his propaganda into the form of a religious sermon in a desperate effort to claw back rapidly evaporating poll numbers that show 20% of Americans have changed their minds over the last three years and become man-made global warming skeptics.

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I fully grasp that Gore is a self serving hypocrite, but this last bit strikes me as superfluous:

poll numbers that show 20% of Americans have changed their minds over the last three years and become man-made global warming skeptics.”

 

consider that against this backdrop:


http://www.usnews.com/blogs/god-and-country/2009/02/11/gallup-darwins-birthday-poll-fewer-than-four-in-ten-believe-in-evolution.html

Charles Darwin would have been 200 tomorrow, an event that Gallup is marking with a new poll showing that 39 percent of Americans believe in the theory of evolution. A quarter say they don’t believe in evolution, and 36 percent say they have no opinion.

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I wouldn’t use american public opinion as anything like a barometer of truth when it comes to science. 

 

And I’d be EXTREMELY wary of using any article from infowars as a source.  I peruse their pages, but I do so with full consciousness of the fact that they routinely get things wrong, fail to source, twist headlines, and in general, do poor research.  To me, they’re like a rumor mill – a bunch of guys you hear talking smack at a bar.  They may carry an occasional useful story (like when they were fed the MIAC documents), but other than that, their information is extremely sketchy.  ALWAYS consider it rumor, and then verify elsewhere.

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DAMMIT!  KIRBY!!  Can’t you see the obvius.  When temperatures are shown to be stable next year(election year) B Obama can claim to have solved the global warming crisis and saved us all!1Tongue out

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