The problem with Americans is that they believe the US is a “good” country

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  • Thu, Jun 25, 2009 - 12:10pm

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    Re: The problem with Americans is that they believe the US …

 Amen Larry!  On that note I think any discussion of Global Warming or Climate Change should be moved here as well.  Those conversations seem to be more controversial than any other and frankly could be considered conspiracy theories on both sides. I think George Carlin says it best here.  God this is funny!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyxuVFzKypU

  • Thu, Jun 25, 2009 - 01:28pm

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    Re: The problem with Americans is that they believe the US …

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Moderator Jason:  Hello, thanks for moving this thread here, where we may discuss things more freely.

I respect the fact that the CC & CM website has an important mission and I do not want to distract from that in any way.  I promote this website constantly.   

I just don’t understand why you frame the issue in this way [emphasis mine]:

Moderator Jason said:  Per our carefully considered policy, we prefer that any posts relating to conspiracy theories, NWO, secret government, 9/11 conspiracies, or anything else based more on belief than facts be created only in the CT folder.

I will agree that some of these topics are controversial, but the contrarian opinions are often supported by strong evidence.  You may dismiss the NWO, secret government, 9/11 as conspiracy theories based on a belief system, but that doesn’t make it so.

 

 

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I’ve got to second this one.  Frankly, it has become apparent to me that labelling certain subjects as "belief-based" is only a clever way of disallowing or quarantining certain subjects, thereby narrowing this community’s view of the factors that have contributed to the predicament we’re in.  It’s a policy that accepts the denial and vociferous opposition of the willfully blind as a measure of a subject’s appropriateness for discussion.  It’s a policy that falls below the standard of being willing to look for the truth, regardless of how ugly that truth is.  It’s lipstick on a pig . . . and the pig still stinks.  It’s also a key reason why this site is a mere resource for me, and cannot be considered my community. 

BTW, I also second your comments on Jason’s diligence and integrity in carrying out the job he has been assigned.

 

  • Thu, Jun 25, 2009 - 02:50pm

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    Re: The problem with Americans is that they believe the US …

I honestly don’t know why this thread would go to the "controversial" area.  CM has stated in his own words the belief that America is being run and looted by an Financial Oligarch/Cabal.  The exact same people that we’ve been discussing concerning "NWO", "Secrets of the US Gov’t" etc……

Here:

https://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/america-being-looted/16444

 

CM’s own writing:

The unfortunate conclusion here is that our system and processes are fully “captured” by a tangled web of interests that serve themselves over everything else. Your future, my future, and our future is being systematically ruined by a self-interested group of insiders that can no longer distinguish between their good and the common good.

LR:  Exactly as we’ve been saying.  So no "Controversy" here.

CM and here’s the real kicker!:

My cynicism stems from the fact that, 1.) as I string together the dots comprising this entire bailout fiasco, I can come to only one conclusion: Our “public policy” is not being conducted in the interests of the people, by the people, and for the people.

2.) Public policy appears to be in the grip of a very powerful and self-interested cabal that seemingly has no concern for the future or the health of this country and does not even see the need to be cautious enough to mask its efforts.

The fact that the bailout trajectory did not waver in the slightest while passing from the Bush to the Obama administration indicates that the 3.) bailout is not a function of who’s in political power, it is a function of something else, of some other power.

LR:  1.)  Exactly what we’re saying in regards to the NWO as well as the rest of the "Conspiracy Theories".  2.)  Gee, isn’t that what we continue to state?  This country is in the hands and being controlled by a very powerful and self-interested cabal (called the Illuminati).  3.) Again, exactly what we’ve been saying!

So needless to say, what you call "conspiracy theory" is in all sense REALITY.  Maybe we should start looking at it like that instead of labeling it as "contoversial" or "fringe".   

 

 

  • Fri, Jun 26, 2009 - 02:14am

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    Re: The problem with Americans is that they believe the US …

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I honestly don’t know why this thread would go to the "controversial" area.  CM has stated in his own words the belief that America is being run and looted by an Financial Oligarch/Cabal.  The exact same people that we’ve been discussing concerning "NWO", "Secrets of the US Gov’t" etc……

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I think whatever Chris’s personal beliefs are, and although I’m sure he doesn’t think those who are running the show are doing it all for the benefit of "We the people", he still has to take into account that new visitors to this site may be easily put off by ‘so called’ conspiracy theory posts and therefore will never stay long enough to grasp the important information that is contained in this website.

I think, given the chance, once someone becomes educated in terms of this financial crisis they will begin to ask who is responsible for the massive wealth transfer that has taken place, why the bankers have benefited at the expense of the taxpayers, and why was this allowed to happen.

Throw in a history lesson on ‘The Fed’, expose the revolving door between Wall Street and the Government(s) (ie Goldman Sachs etc) and you will end up with a person who came here oblivious to the facts, and who is now "… as mad as hell and doesn’t want to take it anymore!…"

It is then quite likely they will no longer view what as happened as a bunch of conspiracy theories but as quite a few ‘conspiracy facts’ and they may come to the conclusion they have been looted in a planned controlled operation!

The key is they have to get mad first… and only education will achieve that.

  • Fri, Jun 26, 2009 - 03:54am

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    Re: The problem with Americans is that they believe the US …

Really good posts. It seems to be a balancing act for a mission oriented website, like this, to promote a message while allowing unbridled free speech.  The credibility of the message is something we all want to protect and enhance.

Many of us agree with the CM message and also want a forum to discuss the who and why.  For example, I’d like to be free to explore the real power structure.   

So, what might be done to allow some of these advanced discussions while still protecting this forum?  Is it possible?

One suggestion that I have is to keep the "Controversial Forum" – separated by a disclaimer.  But, move the link bar underneath the "General Discussion and Questions" category.  This allows us to easily access the category while still being partitioned with a disclaimer.

My humble prediction is that you will see more and more people anxious to discuss things you can’t get from the MSM including "conspiracy theories."    

I would also move the Enrolled Members Only category to the top.  In case you haven’t tried it yet, this is the best part of the website (assuming you have graduated from the CC).  Real time analysis that you will not get anywhere else.  Chris is rare in being an analyst without an agenda (for example, I’ve paid for gold newsletters only to discover that all the articles have the same message; buy gold and silver!).

I’d really like to hear from someone on the other side, so to speak.  People who flag our posts because they don’t want our discussions to scare off a newbies or damage the credibility of CM.  Is there an accommodation that might allow us all to stay under the CC umbrella as welcome members of this fine community?

Larry

  • Sat, Jun 27, 2009 - 07:19am

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    Re: The problem with Americans is that they believe the US …

Hello, to all concerned.  The phrase in question consists of Chris’ words, not my own.  I was hoping they would provoke a discussion.
 
The current plan is that in the future, the moderators will allow new threads covering the following topics to be created only in the CT folder:
 
·         Guns
·         Religion
·         Global conspiracy theories
·         Global Warming
·         9/11 conspiracies, etc.
·         Other things which are possibly interesting but not directly related to the mission(s) of the site
 
Site missions:
 
1.        Have the Crash Course viewed as widely as possible
2.        Move people towards personal responsibility for the future and actions
 
Nobody at PeakProsperity.com is saying that any particular idea or theory is false, or wrong, because they may well be true, and there is certainly evidence to be discussed.  But there do not seem to be enough facts (as opposed to beliefs) to convince most people one way or the other, and therefore such conversations consume the general forums while never reaching any definite conclusion.  What’s more, these types of seemingly solution-less conversations, on balance, do not seem to yield many positive suggestions for constructive personal action.
 
Some topics, such as those relating to guns, are simply difficult for new visitors to understand in proper context, and therefore it might be better that such conversations take place in a certain folder.  The new visitor who comes to this site may know nothing about the nature of the financial crisis, may know nothing about the U.S. political leadership, may not yet have watched the crash course, and might never have questioned the idea that the blue chip index is the safest possible place to invest their retirement money.  Their reaction to photographs of assault rifles is predictable, and they may not stick around long enough to dispel a wrong first impression.
 
We are not interested in silencing discussion among veteran users, or in squelching free investigation of new theories and ideas.  But we believe it is at least reasonable that there should be order to the way that the website is presented, particularly to new users.  Creating different folders for different types of discussions is part of this process.
 
An editor does not destroy free speech by arranging articles in the newspaper, and neither does a professor by teaching some things first and other things last.  Unless a new visitor can be exposed to information in a rational way, it is difficult to convey a coherent point.  And this website, after all, does have a coherent point centering around energy, the economy, and natural resources, and what the connection between them means for our communities and individual lives.
 
Discussion on this is more than welcome.  All ideas will be considered.  If anybody wanted to create a thread in the main forums to discuss the pro’s and con’s of how information can be effectively arranged on the site, that might be an excellent idea.

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