The problem with Americans is that they believe the US is a “good” country
I hope I am not hijacking this thread but I think my comments are related.
As I watched the events unfold in Iran this past week, I couldn’t help but think that if similar protests occurred in this country, we would get a similar government response. Imagine, for example, people pouring onto the streets in 2000 to protest the Bush v. Gore decision. Imagine they are massing, without permits, in our major cities, blocking traffic, throwing stones, without permits. Imagine that the police form a line, helmuts and shields, but the protests continue and people throw stones and they are protesting without permits. I can’t know how our government would have responded but I do know how they responded at Kent State.
My only point is this: I do not believe we are much more, if any, freer than the people in Iran. I only believe that our elite are better at fooling us than the elite in Iran. (or in the alternative, we are bigger fools)
I hope I am not hijacking this thread but I think my comments are related.
As I watched the events unfold in Iran this past week, I couldn’t help but think that if similar protests occurred in this country, we would get a similar government response…[/quote]
Not quite… they would use laser guided depleted uranium weapons and clusterbomb entire neighborhoods from miles away.
Remember what the U.S. Government is now telling the sheeple…
PROTESTER = TERRORIST
That video is so spot on, but it scares me that the Sheeple in the audience laugh all the way through it… if you ask me, most of that is not funny. I know he’s a comedian, but come on people don’t you see, he’s not making jokes…. he’s trying to wake you up.
I’ve always regarded Carlin as a social commentator who uses humor in order to capture an audience.
Most of what Carlin says rings true even though many of his ‘oratories’ are often confronting for some.
Whether he was carpeting religion, politics, sex, capitalism, materialism or just about anything he made me realise that one’s ‘bullsh*t’ detector needs to be fully charged, switched on and in good working order.
Unfortunately, for the majority of the population they don’t even know what a ‘bullsh*t’ detector is.
The biggest lies are told by the biggest liars and have the biggest consequences for all of us.
And the biggest liars are those who govern us… not necessarily those who we elect.
"…Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea you have freedom of choice…. you don’t! You have no choice! You have owners!…"
Ah well, back to the ballgame, burgers and ‘un’-reality TV…. sigh!
It’s nice to have you back for even one post. I’ve watched those films and as I do I continue to fight my mind and it’s continued screaming of "USA!USA!USA!" But in all reality, I’m waking up more everyday. Realizing that there is so much more to human existance/life than your country. We on the "Farm" are screwed until we get rid of the farmers that are herding us to the slaughterhouse as we speak. Until the "Awakening" happens, we’re all screwed. Statism is dead….wake up.
rowmat – thanks for the Carlin video. He absolutely nails it – the bad language is used very eloquently in describing the rotten people who rule our lives. Still there are many people who think we have a functioning republic – we don’t.
When a nation gives away it’s most important power, the power to issue and control it’s money, it becomes a client state. Neither a republic nor capitalism can survive when a money monopoly is given to an elite few.
Not only is the US a good country, it is a great country. At least the basic premises of the US are. Where else can you work your @ss off and be justly rewarded [generalization]. Where else, at least historically in our 200+ year existence, have the liberty and freedoms been a given right?
But I think there should be debate on whether people can govern themselves. I would emphatically say the majority of the people in the US [and world] can be described as "sheeple" and therefore can’t govern themselves. Ultimately, this democracy will fail, imo [although we were founded on "Republic" principles]. I hate to say that b/c I truely believe in the will and opportunity of the person. However, the basic rights afforded us require a general sense of responsibility. Man [or woman] are, as a whole, not responsible. Unfortunately.
Somewhat on topic – I went shopping at Target on Sunday and the cashier was telling my wife and I how tired she was but she didn’t have any money so she had to work that day. Then she explained that she had 5 children at home. My wife and I left the store debating the concept of nature vs nuture. Why did this person "choose" to have 5 children?
[edit: Sorry if I hijacked this thread :)]
grl said: I can’t know how our government would have responded but I do know how they responded at Kent State.
I don’t mean to get sidetracked, but I thought you might be interested in what actually took place at Kent State back in May 1970. For many years the official story was that the national guard panicked, and opened fire – fearing for their lives. More recently, a tape recording was released that debunks this myth. The national guard was ordered "right here…get set…fire."
It is amazing how often, 30 years later, the truth comes out that debunks government official versions of deadly historical events.
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Moderator Jason: Hello, thanks for moving this thread here, where we may discuss things more freely.
I respect the fact that the CC & CM website has an important mission and I do not want to distract from that in any way. I promote this website constantly.
I just don’t understand why you frame the issue in this way [emphasis mine]:
Moderator Jason said: Per our carefully considered policy, we prefer that any posts relating to conspiracy theories, NWO, secret government, 9/11 conspiracies, or anything else based more on belief than facts be created only in the CT folder.
I will agree that some of these topics are controversial, but the contrarian opinions are often supported by strong evidence. You may dismiss the NWO, secret government, 9/11 as conspiracy theories based on a belief system, but that doesn’t make it so.
I hope you recognize that the New World Order concept and terminology came to us from our leaders – including Popey Bush, Clinton, Baby Bush and most recently Obama. And many leaders of other countries are talking about a "New World Order." For example, Gordon Brown, Nicolas Sarkozy, Angela Merkel, Kevin Rudd, John Key, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva and on and on.
So, what is wrong with us wondering what they are talking about?
Yes, our "government" acts secretively. There is no transparency or accountability. The "secret" is that we are ruled by a mostly foreign and private banking cartel.
You may not be aware but some of the 9/11 Commission Report was kept from the public. This was heavily criticized by Senator Bob Graham:
WASHINGTON — Sen. Bob Graham on Sunday accused the Bush administration of engaging in a "cover-up" of intelligence failures before and after the Sept. 11 attacks to shield it from embarrassment, and said the war with Iraq has allowed Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups to become a greater threat to Americans than ever before.
Graham, a presidential candidate and former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, also accused the administration of jeopardizing the safety of Americans by blocking the release of a landmark congressional report on the government failures that preceded the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. The Florida Democrat said the White House has withheld from the public important information about the continued existence of terrorist cells in the United States — including some with ties to foreign governments that the U.S. has been afraid to go after.
"By continuing to classify that information the American people have been denied important information for their own protection, for the protection of the communities," Graham said on CBS News’ "Face the Nation."
Say what…according to official records Senator Graham tells us that there was a cover-up. And then, he tells us that "ties to foreign governments that the U.S. has been afraid to go after." If you are content with the official 911 "theory" that’s fine by me. In the same turn, I think I am perfectly right in wanting more answers – a new investigation of 9/11.
I don’t mean to pick on you because I know you have a tough job; you try to allow freedom of speech but also support the important mission of this website. You do a good job in moderating the impossible and you have always been very generous with your careful explanations.
I’ll get off the soap box now and look forward to any comments you or others may have.