The problem with Americans is that they believe the US is a “good” country

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  • Tue, Jun 23, 2009 - 10:20pm

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    The problem with Americans is that they believe the US is a “good” country

 

 

 

After watching and observing peoples reactions to events in the last decade, i have come to the conclusion that Americans are very naive concerning the role of government and corporations in America. For example, I see many comments about how the president is helping the rich wall street people at the expense of taxpayers. I see complaints of how wars and conducted overseas and how this goes against the constitution and is bankrupting the country. All of these things are true, but, what also is true is the fact that governments are crooked, just as they always have been crooked. Rulers in times past ruled with a iron fist. Kings had slaves, kings made wars, kings taxed you to death. This system has not changed much as the power structure is very similar today. The only difference is that back then people knew they were subject to the king while today people BELIEVE they are free. Unfortunately, this is not the case. Whatever freedoms the US allowed its people under the constitution have been eroded over the past 2 centuries and will continue to be eroded.

When the federal reserve bails out goldman sachs, JPM, and other banks via AIG, most americans dont have a clue becuase they believe the government is taking care of them. Of the 1% of the population that does know about the AIG 180B payout to wallstreet, they are mad as hell. It angered me as well when i first found out about the bailout. But then i realized that is what oligarchs do, they bail each other out when a bail out is needed. I accept that America is just like any other nation in the past. Rule by the golden rule: he who has the gold makes the rules. Before, the rule of law would make the rules, based on fallible judges interpretation of the constitution. Now its different. I accept it for what it is. Most americans dont care for the brilliant principles embodied in the constitution. Moreover, we only have a few members in congress that are decent, freedom loving people. Soon, they will be voted out or become completely marginalized, as they have been for the most part.

 

Perhaps i have too much of a pessimistic outlook on the US from a political, moral, and spiritual perspective. Based on the facts, however, I see tyranny and theft, looting, and oligarchy is strong control. The republic was great while it lasted, now the empire will ensue. It will be possible to make some good money in the American Empire as some vestiges of the republic remain. Nonetheless, the free republic that we were led to believe that existed is dead.

 

Dont be decieved

  • Tue, Jun 23, 2009 - 10:54pm

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    Re: The problem with Americans is that they believe the US …

bearmarkettrader, I agree with your assesment to present day America.

 What you say is right on, as the people I work with – when I show them whats really going on, look at me as if I’m crazy or just a blank stare, as not understanding what I’m talking about. People have been dumbed down. School kids are scary as they look more like were going backwards in Evolution then forwards. What are they teaching in school these days? I was helped to wake up by the internet and from a passion to know the truth-where ever that may lead. Thats why I posted the "The idiots guide to the new world order".

The bankers and wall street now control America and we let them do it! Congress has no backbone and the money and corruption are running rampant. No real change in Obama! Just more of the same and plenty of it. Now Obama hands the US over to the Fed, in a silent coo. You might as well have made Al Copone the President of the US. I feel sorry for humanity. At least some of  us are trying to educate others and keep a fire under congress.

 One perfect example is my house will likely foreclose soon. Obama’s plan isn’t working-is that any surprise. It’s a token thrown at the media, making the public believe there is help coming. NPR reported a couple of weeks ago, that only 17,000 of the 5 to 7 million were helped. Meanwhile over 300,000 lose their houses last month. This will continue till sometime in 2012.  They say we need more regulation in Washington DC. No, we just need the Government to enforce the past laws. Which Bush made sure never happened.  So expect more lies, epidemics, gun confiscations, more loss of freedom as the heat is turned up on the people as they "cook" for the new world order……………………

  • Tue, Jun 23, 2009 - 11:29pm

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   Investorzoo said:  Obama’s plan isn’t working-is that any surprise. It’s a token thrown at the media, making the public believe there is help coming. NPR reported a couple of weeks ago, that only 17,000 of the 5 to 7 million were helped. Meanwhile over 300,000 lose their houses last month. This will continue till sometime in 2012.

 

People get foreclosed on while the banks get bailed out. If the people lose their homes shouldnt bankers, stockholders, and bondholders also lose their jobs and/or investments? That is how it is supposed to work in a republic where the rule of governs. In our oligarchy, the people lose their homes while the banks get to live another day. Now, this alone is grounds for revolution. Theres one big problem: you need angry people to have one!!! Me and you are mad as hell about these developments, how the gov uses OUR MONEY to toss us out of our own homes. But were pretty alone out here. Worldwide even, most people dont have a clue. Most of my family in greece believes that Obama is good for America and good for the world. If even they knew how quickly he has surpassed Bush’s abominations. But this is the trend. Bush/Obama/Clinton dont really have any power, its the money power behind them that does. And with so many people being so utterly blind to todays reality, i believe that this may be a world record in deception/complacency amongst ruled peoples. As i said before, people knew they were ruled by the kings whereas today we believe we are free. This is why i believe so strongly in my faith, seeing how evil trumps good left and right. There is no rational explanation for people being so dumb and ignorant. Its a spiritual matter, look closer and the answers will come out.

  • Tue, Jun 23, 2009 - 11:57pm

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    Re: The problem with Americans is that they believe the US …

[quote=Jeff Cooper Col. USMC ret]The conclusions seem inescapable that in certain circles a tendency has arisen to fear people who fear government. Government, as the Father of Our Country put it so well, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. People who understand history, especially the history of government, do well to fear it. For a people to express openly their fear of those of us who are afraid of tyranny is alarming. Fear of the state is in no sense subversive. It is, to the contrary, the healthiest political philosophy for a free people.[/quote]

That quote was made in 1996, and it’s just become worse since then.

The US people have become sheep, led by wolves, we only have ourselves to blame. You can argue that the rich the powerful the NWO, or whoever manipulated things, the banks own politicians. But the opening line of the Constitution is "We the people" we’ve conceded to a government that is no longer representative, isn’t that a tyranny? Yet the vast majority of Americans expect it to be unrepresentative… What is wrong with the country is simple, we have lost our drive, to do the right thing even though it’s harder than the easy thing. To have government acting on our behalf not us acting on their behalf.

The principles that the United States was built on, still apply, still have meaning, unfortunately we took a left sometime back when we needed to take a right. The implementation and interpretation of those principles altered, was stretched to almost breaking point, and we’re now here. We can bring it down just by doing nothing to save it. It will crash, then who can they blame? Perhaps then the Federal and State Governments can be rebuilt back in the constitutions image, rather than the current parody.

  • Wed, Jun 24, 2009 - 12:27am

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   Investorzoo said:  Obama’s plan isn’t working-is that any surprise. It’s a token thrown at the media, making the public believe there is help coming. NPR reported a couple of weeks ago, that only 17,000 of the 5 to 7 million were helped. Meanwhile over 300,000 lose their houses last month. This will continue till sometime in 2012.

 

People get foreclosed on while the banks get bailed out. If the people lose their homes shouldnt bankers, stockholders, and bondholders also lose their jobs and/or investments? That is how it is supposed to work in a republic where the rule of governs. In our oligarchy, the people lose their homes while the banks get to live another day. Now, this alone is grounds for revolution. Theres one big problem: you need angry people to have one!!! Me and you are mad as hell about these developments, how the gov uses OUR MONEY to toss us out of our own homes. But were pretty alone out here. Worldwide even, most people dont have a clue. Most of my family in greece believes that Obama is good for America and good for the world. If even they knew how quickly he has surpassed Bush’s abominations. But this is the trend. Bush/Obama/Clinton dont really have any power, its the money power behind them that does. And with so many people being so utterly blind to todays reality, i believe that this may be a world record in deception/complacency amongst ruled peoples. As i said before, people knew they were ruled by the kings whereas today we believe we are free. This is why i believe so strongly in my faith, seeing how evil trumps good left and right. There is no rational explanation for people being so dumb and ignorant. Its a spiritual matter, look closer and the answers will come out.

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I can only conclude that the bankers will get their money back from the tax payer in more bailouts as they continue to foreclose. Why else wouldn’t they negociate. I find it so ironic that when you buy a house, everyone from the broker, bank, real estate agent, title company is right there to walk you threw and answer any questions. Your the customer and the customer is king. Now, that there is a problem, you can’t get the bank on the phone to discuss the issue for months. Then when you do, they tell you to send in a bunch of information and they’ll get back with you? Time passes and they send  you a notice of denial. No one really wants to hear from you, they just want you to pay up. The only way you get any real attention is when you stop paying, then you get some counsellor to discuss your situation. Then you find them telling you to cut your expenses? Like I don’t know this. Then they tell you maybe you can stop saving for retirement? Get another job! Anything but any sacrifice on the bankers part. Oh and then they keep on adding penalties and interest, as if you aren’t in enough of a bad situation. (it’s like a drowning man getting an anchor instead of a life preserver)

 I’m not trying to wine about my situation, just letting everyone know whats really happening. The banks take no responsibility for your situation, yet they are just as complicit to your getting into this mess and I was. I learned one lesson. Goto a credit union, as at least they are more realistic on how much you can borrow. The bankers, brokers are liars and just want to get the sale anyway they can. Same thing with stocks. The company has shares to sell and the bankers have the money and bankers want to sell the shares to the public- at inflated prices of course and no guarantee of success.

  • Wed, Jun 24, 2009 - 01:30am

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I feel for all of those that are having problems…I really do! I guess I was always very old fashion with my finances?? I never bought what I couldn’t pay for quickly anyway. My first house I still live in. It cost me 39k to buy many years back. I asked the bank for a loan & I had 10k down. The interest at that time was about 10% (Jimmy Carter days). I inquired about the net cost if I payed this out over many years…Bank said about 96k. I am not the brightest guy but my simple brain thought why am I paying 96k for a 39k house so I paid it off in 2 years.

Most guys I graduated with had a college loan but I worked 3 part time jobs & graduated with my 10k surplus. Yes I am a tight wad. My friends that I graduated with went straight from debt in college to the bank that would loan them the most to buy a BIG house after they landed a good job. Well I never wanted a bank to own me so I drove old cars etc. until I had the money to pay cash for all of my upgrades in life. My only problem was I was able to save a lot with no debt & put most of it in the market which is worth 1/2 of what it was. Hum in hindsight I see where I was stupid. I should have put the $$ in hard assets that I knew were real.

Live & learn but I really I have myself to blame.

This country is not at fault IMHO it is the people that don’t want to face responsibilities for their own actions that cause many problems. I am not referring to any body here obvious. The Govt positions itself to take advantage of our own flaws which really I would think they should be wiser than this.

The problem with Americans is that they believe the US is a "good" country

Maybe but really what I see is that too many Americans Believe they are entitled to something they haven’t worked for. They fall for I will give you this for free thinking which always comes back to bite you.

  • Wed, Jun 24, 2009 - 02:12am

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    The American Dream – “You have to be asleep to believe it.”

I’ve posted this before and will continue to do so where I feel it’s relevant.

The American Dream – "You have to be asleep to believe it." – George Carlin (2005)

"Nobody seems to notice…. nobody seems to care…"

WARNING: Justifiable expletives!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q&fmt=18

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[quote=rowmat]

I’ve posted this before and will continue to do so where I feel it’s relevant.

The American Dream – "You have to be asleep to believe it." – George Carlin (2005)

"Nobody seems to notice…. nobody seems to care…"

WARNING: Justifiable expletives!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q&fmt=18

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Rowmat,

Thanks for keep posting that! I hadn’t seen it yet, and it is not only priceless, it is spot-on!

  • Wed, Jun 24, 2009 - 05:10am

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Rowmat

That video is so spot on, but it scares me that the Sheeple in the audience laugh all the way through it… if you aks me, most of that is not funny. I know he’s a comedian, but come on people don’t you see, he’s not making jokes…. he’s trying to wake you up.

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  • Wed, Jun 24, 2009 - 05:37am

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That video is so spot on, but it scares me that the Sheeple in the audience laugh all the way through it… if you aks me, most of that is not funny. I know he’s a comedian, but come on people don’t you see, he’s not making jokes…. he’s trying to wake you up.

Thats exactly what i was thinking. The sheeple were laughing at there own demise. They really are that deluded. You know whats funny, likeminded people like us can easily be oligarchs ourselves. Perhaps it is our good souls that dont allow us to join forces with the evil ones. Kind of like the Jedi and the Sith in star wars. They are very similar in their wisdom of the "force", except the Sith use the force for their own selfish reasons while the Jedi use the force for good, they think about others. Watch star wars episode III great film.

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