The pandemic ends when vaccination stops

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  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 02:27pm

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    Dontknownothin

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    The pandemic ends when vaccination stops

This clickbait hyperbole is just speculation at this time but my logic for this hypothesis is as follows:

  1. The vaccines cause your cells to produce spike proteins
  2. The spike protein is cytotoxic so your body works to get rid of it through every pore and orifice on your body in a process called viral shedding
  3. Those in your environment pick up these spike protein particles and their bodies, particularly in the nasopharyngeal region trigger immune responses.
  4. They get a PCR test for Covid, which detects pieces of a virus (which the spike protein IS)
  5. They go to the hospital to get treated for Covid and get sick AT the hospital where they are confined to the ICU. Once there they become a “serious case”.

Basically the vaccine correlates highly with SC2 cases as Chris and many others have pointed out. I have heard of two people so far (I have a very small social network that shrinks by the day) who got vaccinated and immediately tested positive for Covid. They were “breakthrough” cases who after their bout with “Covid” turned out fine and then say “Whew! Lucky I got the vaccine, otherwise it would have been much worse!” The people all around them also tested positive for Covid, and all turned out fine. “Must have been Delta variant since it was so mild.” Since they don’t count the vaccinated as such until the 15th day after vaccination, the data all show that unvaccinated are the majority of the cases in the ICU, but mounting evidence suggests these Delta cases may be adverse events cause by the vaccine, particularly in those who have had a prior case of Covid.

This isn’t to say the virus isn’t real, and isn’t saying the vaccine isn’t causing other variants of concern. But as has been mentioned before, there is no actual sequencing going on at the hospital but Delta is being blamed. A virus should diminish in severity over time as survival pressure causes it to seek symbiosis with its host in order to spread without drawing attention, but looking at the Covid data, it has run out of control in regions that are heavily vaccinated and continue to push boosters, whereas other areas with low vaccination rates, it has managed to die out to a low baseline.

Uttar Pradesh, where they decided to use Ivermectin rather than push the vaccines had vaccination rates plummet, and along with that the case count plummetted as well.

I think ultimately, given what we’re seeing in these populations globally that adopt prophylaxis and cheap treatments isn’t necessarily the efficacy of the drugs but a comination of stopping the source of the case count (vaccines) by reducing fear with a treatment protocol that while largely effective also has the placebo effect of reducing the stress from fear of the unseen menace lurking in our midst. Stress being the number two comorbidity leading to death from Covid.

I think all this points to the hypothesis that stopping the vaccinations will cause cases to plummet and the pandemic will end as an existential threat to our way of life.

That of course says nothing about the long term effects of the vaccine and the thousands of deaths from denial of treatment and vaccine injury. Or the innumerable deaths from remdesivir and forced ventilation when an antihistamine would have been more effective.

For those who have been paying attention throughout this pandemic, you have likely seen the cummulative evidence which I refer to. For those who haven’t I’ll try to dig up the studies and reference them below.

  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 02:48pm

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That is why they continue to get it in everyone. to keep it going and then the next wave is just side effects – and the next after that is ade ,  they got everyone evenly spaced to keep the game alive.

 

in normal vaccines, they try to give you a virus with the part that does the damage , removed or destroyed.   In this vaccine, they give you just the part that does the damage.

  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 03:47pm

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Not sure this hypothesis holds up when you look at what is happening here in New Zealand.  Vaccination rates are shooting up following the recent outbreak in Auckland (40% fully vaccinated with a further 30 % with one dose – all Pfizer) and a lot of testing is going on, particularly in the North island, but very few (compared to other countries) Covid cases are being identified and those that are are pretty much all linked to other infected people. Also, if what you were saying was true you’d expect to start seeing cases cropping up in the South Island but so far we are Covid free down here and people do get tested if they have any symptoms.

Incidentally, it is interesting that at the Retirement Village where I work (about 230 residents and staff)  which also has a hospital wing, everyone, except me and one other, is vaccinated and I really haven’t seen anything much in the way of adverse events. I am in an administrative position so have access to medical records for the hospital patients and am always made aware if any of our independent residents have medical issues that require hospitalisation. I  do know that one man vomited on the day of his second jab and a staff member had a terrible headache for a couple of days. I wonder if this is possibly because the worst adverse events happen if you get the jab after you’ve had a bout of Covid, possibly asymptomatically, as we really haven’t been exposed to the virus at all over here due to the elimination strategy our fanatical PM has been following.

  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 04:33pm

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Number 4 wouldn’t happen- the PCR assay tests for the presence of some target sequence of nucleic acid, not for any product of it (such as spike protein). So if only the protein is present, you shouldn’t get a positive result (although who knows what actually goes on in the testing facilities).

  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 04:37pm   (Reply to #3)

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Interesting. I am living in independent living section of retirement community with long term care and assisted living units. Somewhere around 700 residents total. Over 90% vaccinated except for staff. I have not heard of any vaccine reactions – doesn’t mean there haven’t been any – but usually eventually gets out by word of mouth.

  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 05:01pm

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A paper by Prof. Norman Fenton (Queen Mary, London, UK) and a colleague suggests that all-cause mortality is slightly higher among the vac.d than the unvac.d …

https://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/2021/09/all-cause-mortality-rates-in-england.html

UK vac. proponents seem to have been digging themselves a deep political hole since late 2020. It was officially said then that the vac. would be for ‘vulnerable groups only’. Now it’s been given to all consenting adults and they’re starting on children.

  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 06:17pm

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    The pandemic ends when vaccination stops

AberdeenDunedin,

With the outbreak and vaccination my question would be which came first? No one enters NZ without quarantine and testing so it wouldn’t have been an epidemic in Aukland caused by outsiders. Am I correct in this or was there some relaxing of those protocols?

I WOULD expect outbreak to occur after vaccination, and the regularity of outbreaks depends highly on how much testing is done and when. I myself have never been tested, and I know in many places the vaccinatdd were simply given a pass on testing or the lower cycle threshold on the PCR was set to prevent the test detecting the spike proteins.

Were your residents tested for Covid after vaccination or only if they come down with symptoms?

I recently posted a paper suggesting most of the vaccine adverse events came from those with prior exposure to Covid (I’ll need to look for that). If NZ had a low covid rate already, it would then translate into a low adverse event rate if true. Does your resident population have any such previous exposure?

What I’m saying is that people coming up positive on tests aren’t showing symptoms at all. They are positive because of the vaccine not because of the virus. So most would have no reason to test, but shedding would cause an immune response in those around them and most people would not dare go get tested for fear of targetting or being quarantined or all the issues associated with being known as Covid positive. Unless theres incentive to test positive no one will actually vollunteer to get tested if they’re not at risk and anyone showing symptoms will likely be attributed to other similar conditions.

Just my thoughts on possible explanations.

  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 06:25pm   (Reply to #4)

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Pika,

The mRNA in the vaccine IS ribo-nucleic acid so I would thing that would give a positive PCR. But whether the spike shedding has the same effect on false positives for those around them… that may be correct.

  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 02:24am

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    not all vaccines are the same

many people assume that all vaccines from any one manufacturer are the same. that’s probably not true. if you wanted to depopulate without allowing people to point the finger at you, you would then create different batches of different compositions of ingredients, including some placebos/saline.

personally, I currently believe the alpha strain existed but is gone, and all variants are more than likely vaccine injuries.

nobody who has done any research believes any of the ‘case’ numbers they’re giving.

  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 05:41am

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Hi from NZ,

We just did a trade with Denmark (I think) of 500K vaccines so it will be interesting to see what happens if we were singled out for different batches.

Other possibilities are that something in the environment is different and preventing harm, or like OP says since Covid was not in the community it may have modified the outcomes of the vaccines.  We’ve had less than 3000 people exposed out of 5 million.

The current outbreak was caused by the stupid travel bubble with Australia.  Hard to imagine the benefits of opening up to them were worth a billion+.

It is quite noticable that nothing much in the way of adverse events are happening with the vaccines.  I know someone who had a stroke around a week after the 2nd dose and eventually died.  One teenager in the news was “coincidence” but not much else happening.  Doesn’t mean it won’t occur in the future.

 

 

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