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The Definitive Firearms Thread

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  • Wed, Feb 04, 2009 - 08:46pm

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    Dogs_In_A_Pile

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Rog –
Thanks for the link. I called Cheaper Than Dirt to check on their limitations for Law Enforcement sales and was pleased to find out that since I’m retired Navy I could purchase any LE program limited sales items.

LE is a great program here in Virginia – significant discounts on purchases. I’m looking at a Smith and Wesson M&P .40 for Mrs. Dogs. Currently priced at $399.00 under the LE program.

  • Wed, Feb 04, 2009 - 08:49pm

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Dogs: Thanks for mentioning that LE Program. My mother is a retired army doctor…maybe I can get some deals too!

  • Wed, Feb 04, 2009 - 08:55pm

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Aaron –

Hornaday is a great round.  I shoot the same in my Sig 226 9mm. 

I had heard about the Ranger and the SXT (jokingly referred to as Same Exact Thing) being the same round.  I thought the perforations on the Ranger weren’t as deep as the original BT round which had much larger expansion petals as a result of the deeper perforations.

  • Wed, Feb 04, 2009 - 09:00pm

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Mike – All she needs is a copy of her DD-214 (retirement paperwork) or her retired ID card.

  • Wed, Feb 04, 2009 - 09:02pm

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    Re: The Definitive Firearms Thread

Dogs,

It’s the SXT’s that are the "lacking" round.
The Winchester Rangers are literally the same cartridge with a new name and box.
So the fuzzy-wuzzies who think that a name denotes intention can’t go after you if you have to shoot their meth addicted step-son.

By the way, the Rangers are supposed to be "LE/Mil" only – not that it’s a problem. Thanks to legal gray area, if the shop consents to selling, there is no crime, because it’s legal to buy them, possess them, and own them. The factory just has to state that they’re to be sold only to LE.

Gray area is usually the result of lacking gray matter.

Cheers!

Aaron

  • Wed, Feb 04, 2009 - 09:14pm

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Super job, Aaron, thanks for posting this! I’d just add something I’ve read before in several places – the best gun is the one you have available when it’s needed! Understand the thoughts on capacity and the 9mm, but I don’t own one (save an old wartime P38 collector item), but do augment my standard carry 1911 with 9mm SHORT, or .380, as popularly known – just because the dang thing (P3AT) disappears into my pocket and I (almost ) forget it’s there.
Just a voice in the night saying that, while a rifle is top dog, a decent handgun will often save thy bacon, and there’s no better system than the 1911. And I love the little P3AT. Just my two cents!

  • Wed, Feb 04, 2009 - 09:29pm

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Downrange,

Thank you for the compliment and the comment.

It’s my "belief" that as we see social degeneration; closing of factories, shops, malls, car lots and so on, resources are going to become more scarce. That said, I don’t think it will be long until bullets begin drying up. Humans, the intrepid creatures that we can be, will be creating their own inside of no time – if for nothing else, as a medium of trade.

To me – this is the most compelling reason that everyone should own with confidence:
1. A Remington 870 with Rifle Sights
2. A 1911 chambered in .45ACP.

Reloading ammunition for these weapons in a "dark times" setting would be far more feasible, and they are both mechanically simple, rugged and have proven themselves in conflicts around the globe.

While I carry a G19 now, if we end up living in a much darker future, I’ll place my long term money on the 1911.

The modern design of pistols now is outdating the old "lands and grooves" barrels, for the more robust "hexagonal" barrels. This advance is based on the assumption that there will always be copper jacketed lead bullets available… if there are not, the Hexagonal Barrel’d pistols have a tendancy to explode when shooting lead bullets.

Aftermarket barrels can be bought for the Hex Pistols, for those who want to know.

I also think that anyone who takes up the role of a defender should have a military pattern longarm, such as the AR or AK because they are acceptable for hunting and fighting. Regardless of the infinite debates as to which is better – far better men than me have been killed by both. Both will work well.

In a situation where a otherwise peaceful community is "beseiged" by some threat, having men adaquetely armed to defend their homes is indispensible. While any rifle is better than none, I’d prefer to overwhelm my enemy instead of the opposite…
History paints a clear picture on this matter.

 

  • Wed, Feb 04, 2009 - 09:31pm

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Downrange,

I have a P3AT and a P32 as well. Started with the 32 (now my wife’s) and I have the 3AT somewhat nearby at most times. I don’t consider myself traversing dangerous territory where I work / live, so I seldom carry, but when I do, it’s always the 3AT. You might try these if you don’t have one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/KEL-TEC-KELTEC-P3AT-P32-380-32-MAGAZINE-GRIP-EXTENSION_W0QQitemZ300286308135QQihZ020QQcategoryZ73944QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

They are awsome for these little guns, allowing you to get 2 full fingers on the grip, and add virtually no weight or size.

My favorite, however is my Kimber 1911, but I find that it is too big to carry on a daily basis. Love to shoot it tho!

Rog

  • Wed, Feb 04, 2009 - 10:07pm

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A definitive thread should have some balanced discussion and dissent.

Don’t shoot me down, but I am reading that you need bigger and better guns to feel safe from all the other people who have guns, but ‘they’ have theirs for violent purposes.The arms race seems to be alive and popping in the US.

BTW we are farmers and own a licensed rifle .22 , haven’t had a fox problem for a few years now so it is safely locked away, probably needs maintenance.

I didn’t like much about our last PM but gun regulation is a wonderful thing. My child goes to school without the fear, we walk the streets and sleep in our beds without the fear that I read in these posts.

 

 

 

 

  • Wed, Feb 04, 2009 - 10:38pm

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Hi Aaron,Thanks for the really informative post.  I feel kind of silly posting on this thread as I have never owned or shot a gun.  I have weighed the topic carefully and in the end, I feel that in a major civil unrest situation, it is better to have a gun than be a victim with no choice.  I have never given the matter much thought until the crash course.

The Glock 19 sounds like a fine weapon.  Per blogs on-line, it seems many people have made the Glock their first gun purchase and were happy with accuracy, weight, rounds, etc.  I like the fact it is light weight and easily concealed.  Since I was born in England and raised in Vancouver, Canada, I have not been exposed to any kind of gun culture. 

I was wondering if there are any other Canadians on here who were thinking about making a gun purchase and how they would go about doing that.

Best!

Kirsty

 

 

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