The Definitive Firearms Thread

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  • Wed, Feb 04, 2009 - 07:19pm

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    Ruhh

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    What’s a Canadian to do?

Canada has this ridiculous gun registry (which hasn’t been very successful and has been quite scandalous since it cost taxpayers tons of money)

Besides the family hunting rifles we already own I wouldn’t mind
trying to pick up a handgun of sorts and I haven’t given the subject
much thought.

I’m a little torn in between buying legitimately
thus having to register the weapon or exposing
myself to the legal risks of buying on the black market as well as
proliferating the illegal trade and all of the pitfalls that go along
with it.

Any thoughts?

  • Wed, Feb 04, 2009 - 07:21pm

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    Re: The Definitive Firearms Thread

Thanks Aaron.  Actually im in virginia, so the other one you mentioned is much closer.

  • Wed, Feb 04, 2009 - 07:54pm

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Coolhandluke – It’s great to hear another Virginian on here! Where do you reside?

I am in Lorton, just south of Springfield (NOVA).

  • Wed, Feb 04, 2009 - 07:59pm

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    Re: The Definitive Firearms Thread

Way to take the lead Aaron. Give it a few days and I bet the thread is flooded with the contrarians calling us out for our choices. Not that it matters.
Doyou think we should start a thread to discuss pros and cons of various martial arts? Kind of off the theme of the site, but for some out there who are not proponents of firearms, martial arts may be a suitable alternative for them.

And regarding Cat and her “Killer T Square”, I can vouch for her. That sucker is a beast. KTS and my Remington 1100 3″ 12 gauge were the first two weapons in our home when we got married almost 25 years ago.

If I may, er, “pile” on here. I want to emphasize what Aaron posted about Training and Fight Science. It is essential that you train in the environment you expect to be subjected to. An adversary is not going to be standing still, 21 feet away, presenting full on body, with an 8″ diameter ring set covering his heart. The average home invasion scenario consists of 3-4 intruders engaged at 7 feet. FEET!!!! Moving and shooting back.

If you do not train in this kind of environment for that kind of scenario you are doing it wrong.

Greg – Just my opinion, but I would look for Black talon and Hydra Shok rounds for whatever caliber you are shooting. They are no longer in production, but are available. Try gun shows. You may pay a bit more for them, but they are devastating rounds. That said, you still need to put the round on target.

Luke – when do you want to go shoot? There are a couple of ranges close that are very reasonable. They handle long guns as well as handguns.

  • Wed, Feb 04, 2009 - 08:09pm

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    Re: The Definitive Firearms Thread

[quote=Aaron Moyer]

Roger,

If it’s not too late, also pick up a copy of Andy Sanford’s "Surgical Speed Shooting".

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Never too late. Amazon loves me!   (it’s in stock too and on the way.)

Rog

  • Wed, Feb 04, 2009 - 08:14pm

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[quote=Dogs_In_A_Pile]Greg – Just my opinion, but I would look for Black talon and Hydra Shok rounds for whatever caliber you are shooting. They are no longer in production, but are available. Try gun shows. You may pay a bit more for them, but they are devastating rounds. That said, you still need to put the round on target. [/quote]

Dogs,

Hydra Shok are still available (I use .45ACP). I agree wholeheartedly with your assesment. Never tried Black Talon, I’ll look for those.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM517-1.html

You can also buy the components if you "roll your own".

Rog

  • Wed, Feb 04, 2009 - 08:15pm

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    Dogs_In_A_Pile

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    Re: The Definitive Firearms Thread

Ruhh –

What are the Canadian laws covering a weapon received as a gift?  I have two weapons that I received as gifts that are not in the "system" anywhere.  And my concealed carry permit only indicates I took a course of instruction and demonstrated proficiency with a gun, not necessarily ownership.

  • Wed, Feb 04, 2009 - 08:27pm

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    Mike Pilat

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Along the lines of Dogs and Aaron‘s training advice on fighting mentality and training in the zone where you might have to fight:

I wonder what the impact of first person shooter games is. It’s true they won’t help you aim and accurately fire a real gun very well. And although these don’t involve any of the real tension and fear of a real scenario, I’ll bet they have a positive impact on fighting mentality. 

For the record, I am not a hardcore first person shooter gamer (I prefer real time strategy on the occassions I do game), but I have seen a number of people play first person shooter games. From what I’ve seen, the majority of the skills involve fast reflexes and decision making, combined with an ability to quickly evaluate a situation or scan an area. On top of that, the targets move, are oftentimes obscured, and always fight back. Finally, the settings of many games are not open fields: they are warehouses, city streets, and yes: homes.

I didn’t mean to take this thread in a whole new direction, but I would appreciate some comments from our resident experts.

Thanks,

Mike

  • Wed, Feb 04, 2009 - 08:29pm

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    Ruhh

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    Re: The Definitive Firearms Thread

[quote=Dogs_In_A_Pile]What are the Canadian laws covering a weapon received as a gift?[/quote]

I’m not quite sure about gifts but the problem is still in the original acquisition of the weapon. Unless you’re offering? 😉

RE: Martial arts. I’m partial to Shaolin Kung-Fu which involves mostly self defense and reversal type of moves. I’m born with a rather small frame and would rather watch paint dry than lift weights so I can’t count on brute force. Go with the flow! Also, an (aluminum) nightstick is my definite weapon of choice for hand to hand.

  • Wed, Feb 04, 2009 - 08:41pm

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    Re: The Definitive Firearms Thread

Ruhh,

I had a reply all type out for you, but my internet went buggy and I lost it.
Basically, I wouldn’t advise you to do anything Illegal, but there are "laws", and there are ethics and morals. Personally, I feel that there must be a victim in order for a crime to have transpired.

Because the law won’t see it that way, I would do things "legally".
The only thing I know about Canadian handgun laws is there is a minimum barrel length of 5". Beyond that, let me know what you find out!

Roger,

Excellent! Please let us know what you think of them when you’re finished!

Dogs/Greg/Roger,

"Black Talons" actually were re-released with a Political Sensitive name. They’re now "Winchester Rangers". Same Bullet, Same Co-efficients, new name and color. Keep in mind that they’re different from Ranger SXT’s which I did NOT have good results with.

In my .45’s, I use the Rangers – Outstanding expansion… nearly the size of a quarter through sheetrock.
In my 9mm’s, I use 124gr Hornady TAP – excellent expansion and penetration.

Neither are cheap – but you don’t probably need more than a hundred rounds or so of "carry ammo".
For training, I use Wolf almost exclusively in my rifles, and winchester white box for my pistols.

Dogs,

We can talk martial arts here or in a seperate thread. I’d be more than happy to have this be "all-encompassing", but it might be confusing for future readers.

Cheers!

Aaron

PS – thanks for all the kind words and compliments!
I sincerely appreciate it!

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