The Definitive 9/11 Documentary

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  • Tue, Nov 05, 2013 - 09:24pm

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    Bankers Slave

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    It changed the

world to align with the agenda of a bunch of oligarchs that have no allegiance to any nation. Their tentacles are spread everywhere intertwine and control everything. The New World Order is here and it intends on stamping its boot on the neck of humanity. "Order out of chaos, problem reaction solution" much more of this to come…..if we allow ourselves to submit too it!

  • Wed, Nov 06, 2013 - 01:34am

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    Congress JUST passed this crazy bill

Goes to show that indeed the gov is corrupt.

http://www.upworthy.com/something-really-insane-just-happened-in-congress-and-you-probably-havent-heard-a-word-about-it?c=ufb1

  • Wed, Nov 06, 2013 - 09:57am

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    Rector, Think BIGGER

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Russians?  Israelis?  Cui bono?  This is the part that I can't figure out.  Any good ideas?

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Rector,

I wish I knew who did it. I've lost a lot of faith in the American system that I so loved as a child. After Obama's first election, I was looking for clues to see whether his administration would investigate 9/11 further and pin the blame on Bush. Nothing was said. Nothing was done. A little more of me died.

On this thread https://www.peakprosperity.com/discussion/80938/legal-case-drone-strikes-americans, I posted this:

https://www.peakprosperity.com/comment/148176#comment-148176

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Now, that drones are in the public limelight, I can once again talk about drones being piloted from afar. I ask friends if this technology advanced out of nowhere in the last dozen years or if a nascent version would have been available in 2001. Who has the most advanced technology now? – The US government via the military. If it were available in 2001, who likely would have had the most advanced technology? Likely, the US government.

I read (somewhere) that the 9/11 conspiracy theories can be boiled down to 4 levels:

Level 0 – no conspiracy. The hijackers coincidentally showed up at different airports and spontaneously decided to hijack 4 separate airliners and fly them into 4 separate targets. (I'm sure some can see this occurring.)

Level 1 – The hijackers were able to conspire for over a year on US soil to do the dastardly deeds without any notice from the US government. (Why did we bother spending $trillions over the years to fund various spy agencies if they end up being this incompetent?)

Level 2 – The hijackers were able to conspire and plan, but several agencies had collected information. One agency knew who was involved, but not what they were doing. One knew when it was to happen, but didn't know where or how. One knew how, but not when … (This is the tact the US government has settled on supporting. Our agencies needed to coordinate in order to share information; therefore, we're saddled with the most intrusive agency to date – homeland security.)

Level 3 – The hijackers were able to plan and conspire for over a year. Our agencies captured the information and appropriately funneled the information to the very top – Dick Cheney. He knew that America would be incensed at the act and would respond by insisting that we address the perpetrators. Rather than stop the carnage, he would allow it to occur and then be prepared to prosecute a war. (He would have a clear public conscience and still be able to reward his buddies at Halliburton, Lockheed, Boeing, etc. It would be good for the economy and instill a self-righteous indignation for America.)

Level 4 – Information was poring from all spy agencies that the hijackers were planning to fly planes into targets in September, 2001. From various reports, the pilots couldn't land a Cessna airplane. How could they fly multi-engine jets at extremely high speeds into very narrow targets? (Cheney decided that our economy needed the boost that war provides. He knew these idiots couldn't accomplish their intended mission so he made sure they would be able to and get full credit for accomplishing said tasks. He had remote control (drone piloting) equipment installed on the airliners that had confirmed pre-purchased tickets from alleged hijackers. He set up training scenarios for the DOD where an errant plane flew into a high rise building in NY on that day. [What are the odds????] He had the buildings wired so they would spectacularly collapse within their footprints. And then he had W. follow through on all the "war on terror" government take overs.) [I'm taking liberties with scenarios here. These things DID happen.]

The story that most Americans believe is that we were duped because we were too good (Level 2.) "We need to wake up and accept our god ordained role." We need to patrol the seas and the skies to keep evil from getting a foothold. It has been spectaculary successful for the "terror industries." It has allowed us to spend nearly half the world's military expenses. Given all the other problems, what other reason can we use to explain such extravagances? It justifies QE∞.

Most of all, I'm amazed at the compliance. Ask an average American – "What is the best country in the world?" and they'll respond that America is. (It will probably sound like "Murka!") They can't tell you who is #2. They carry cell phones that can be tracked legally without court permission and contribute to facebook where their social maps are actively tracked. They continue the debt game and think that media has their best interests in mind. They are actually comfortable that the gummint has drones patrolling. What fools.

I can't see any positive outcome to our situation. We are a land of the sheeple. It will continue to get worse until it can't.

Grover

I look at oddities and wonder what would have happened if a different outcome had resulted. In this instance, I'm thinking about the 2000 presidential election being decided by a 5-4 vote in the Supreme Court. Both houses of congress were Republican controlled. They wouldn't be as critical of a Republican President. (Had they been Democrat controlled, would Gore have won? Would it have mattered?)

Since Obama has been following the Bush waltz on so many levels, I have to wonder if they both listen to the same tune. The conductor of that orchestra is the one telling these puppets which steps to take. I'm afraid it is bigger than the Russians or the Israelis. My guess would be a Rothschild. Other than total global domination, I don't know what their motivation is. It is like a dog that chases cars, what do they do with it when they finally catch it?

Grover

  • Wed, Nov 06, 2013 - 08:50pm

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    Why all the

one eye symbolism, movie references to 911 and the new world order?

 

  • Wed, Nov 06, 2013 - 10:19pm

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    What do we do with this awareness?

Other than being able to identify all these world events as having been orchestrated by the Illumin…, how does knowing this help?  What can be done about it?  I have been trying to figure out how all our awareness of a hidden agenda lends itself to an action plan.  And BTW, for a mainstream view of this same phenomenon, read R. Buckminster Fuller's last book, The Grunch of Giants.  It was becoming obvious even before the internet that there was a plan.

  • Thu, Nov 07, 2013 - 02:08pm

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    Deep Impact

I'm reminded of the movie "Deep Impact" in which the government is aware of the imminent collision of the Earth with a large comet. Recognizing that the survival of the human race is at stake, the government builds a secret bunker complex big enough to hold a million people, 800,000 people are preselected and a lottery is held for the remaining 200,000 slots.  It would seem that in reality there isn't going to be a lottery and that none of us has been selected.

  • Thu, Nov 07, 2013 - 06:33pm

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    Robotization

Has anyone else speculated that perhaps robotization of everything manufacturing allows all of the elegancies and comforts to be always available (to the top dogs) without having to have a lot of pesky humans to provide those commodities?  The "necessary" humans would be the computer programmers and a few people to clean toilets. 
 

  • Thu, Nov 07, 2013 - 10:50pm

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    Grover

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    9/11 was a convenient distraction

lunableu,

You brought up a couple of very good points. I agree that actionable information is more valuable than unconnectable esoteric data. 9/11 is a real event that occurred. Had the plan been thwarted, they would have concocted another scheme. Was the primary motivation short, medium, or long term control? Could it be multi-dimensional?

To me, there are 2 takeaways. Firstly, our political system and the promises made to us are broken. The political leaders are beholden to a group who vote with money/power (and expect a generous return on their investments.) It has never been smart to completely trust a politician. Now, it can be devastating to life, liberty, and savings.

The second point is that these folks (the ones instructing the puppets) don't like to get their hands dirty. I doubt that they expect "their people" to do the hard, dirty work either. They may enjoy killing an animal, but they couldn't butcher it. They need minions to perform these functions. As long as we minions stay out of their way, they will tolerate our existence.

You also brought up robotics. Robotics is advancing rapidly. New applications are being developed all the time. Prices are coming down and capabilities increase. A business owner may be able to justify keeping humans in the processing line now, but at some point, the owner will go out of business if they don't adopt robots.

It used to be that labor was a necessary component of manufacturing. Each year, labor's share decreases. So, what happens when robotics can perform all of labor's tasks? What jobs will remain? A better way to frame the question is, which tasks are robotics less capable of performing?

Fortunately, the big boyz still need us. I don't think robotics are sophisticated enough yet. To me, the key event will be a robot/computer that can design/build a robot to perform sophisticated tasks. At that point, the minions will be considered "useless eaters." The big boyz won't want to get their hands dirty, so they'll allow us to remove each other. (I think it is important for them to be able to deflect blame for their actions.) They also want to keep the earth from being poisoned, so thermonuclear war won't be tolerated.

I don't know when or how this plan may unfold. I think the key is to keep a low profile and be an integral part of a relatively self-sufficient subcommunity. I wouldn't want to be in a metropolitan area when the lights go out. The more your community is in balance with the local resources, the better your chances are.

Grover

 

  • Thu, Nov 07, 2013 - 11:40pm

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    “Awareness equals freedom” meme

Grover:  Thanks for your thoughtful response.  I've got another one for youse guys  🙂

I have been encountering the following meme in more than one documentary:  the idea that once you can see the man behind the curtain, you are free.  I'm not seeing how awareness equals freedom.  I can see that awareness means the lies/deceptions/manipulations/problem-reaction-solutions are obvious.  I'm not seeing how this frees me from being subject to the effects of these activities.

For example, I still live in a world where Obamacare impoverishes workers by design; my awareness doesn't mean I don't get more impoverished.  I'm still subject to the same physicality as everyone else. As far as I can tell, we live in a world where we create our reality collectively, not individually. Until we all collectively create a world of honesty, I'm subject to the current one that appears to be based in deception and chicanery.

My awareness doesn't change this.  Comments?  Clarifications? More ideas?

And I had another thought:  Is it possible/probable that the imagery in the movies is some sort of (black) magik technology that helps things to manifest in physicality; some sort of technology that we "sheeple" aren't privy to?

 

  • Sat, Nov 09, 2013 - 06:59am

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    Grover

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    Awareness Ain’t Enough

lunableu,

Data points aren't information, information isn't knowledge, and knowledge isn't enlightenment. Even if you are enlightened, you are still constrained by the laws of physics. Fortunately, an enlightened individual isn't constrained by reality.

As long as you inhabit the physical world, you'll have to abide by rules or suffer the consequences. No amount of awareness can alter that. The rule makers will use whatever tool seems most appropriate. Deception and chicanery seem to be 2 of their favorites because they work so well. I don't know how to stop it, so I sidestep wherever possible.

If you're aware of the problems and prepare yourself sufficiently, you won't suffer to the same extent as the general sheeple. If you understand their tools of deception, you can see the lies and know where to focus your energy. (They don't bother to hide their strengths.) Use the awareness and your energy toward actions to improve your situation. Then, you'll be freer.

Grover

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