The Complete Idiot’s Guide to the New World Order

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  • Sun, Mar 01, 2009 - 01:51am

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I agree Sam.  At the end of the day, this isn’t really that important to me.  I think the bigger issue is the Fed and super-rich families behind that system.  Fighting to end that system is what I really care about.  

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  • Sun, Mar 01, 2009 - 01:52am

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OK, everybody, gather round.  I’m going to use my super-human skills to settle this thing for you, once and for all.

Ok, now all of you who believe in conspiracy theories, please stand right over here.

Ok, now all of you who do not believe in conspiracy theories, please stand right over there. 

Now listen carefully:  "None of us will ever know the truth, one way or the other.  So, its okay for you to believe whatever you choose, because it doesn’t make any difference anyway.  And besides, it just gets you stirred up."

Now, I have one more thing to say:  "At this crucial time, we all need to be pooling our best thinking, together, to try to figure out how the hell to deal with the mess that we all know we’re in.  So, if its okay with you, let’s take a few hours off, have a cool one, and come back together, ready to work to figure out what to do next, okay?"

"Thanks.  You guys are the best!" 

  • Sun, Mar 01, 2009 - 03:42am

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I find it amusing that so many usually logical, thoughtful folks can summarily deny the truth of something they know so little about.  Sort of reminds me of people who refuse to watch CC because "it can’t be true".  Be that because of belief or denial.

There is plenty of motive, both financial and political for 9/11 events.  Lots of tin foil hats too, but that does not deny that there was ample motive and that there is plenty of evidence that the destruction of the twin towers was orchestrated. 

I’ll mention just a couple of motives that made sense to me and continue to make even better sense as time passes.  Silverstein bought a money losing operation filled with asbestos and other no-no’s for behemoth buildings in today’s world that were impossible to economically correct in today’s world.  I think he bought it from the Port of New York who was trying to unload it.  He had insured the property heavily in the months prior to the "terrorist attack" (and eventually collected the huge profit on his investment).  Prior to that attack, there are numerous reports of the building being closed and of occupants upon returning to the building after a weekend or more of closure, finding their offices covered in unexplained dust. It is something for denialists to explore as there is ample record of this, but I certainly am not going to do this again – you are free to find your own truth anyway you see fit.  Or continue to deny.

The big motive usually cited by the more thoughtful and informed is to get the US militaray presence into the Middle East again – oil, of course. But also to continue to "grow" our economy because of the enormous expense of this war.

That these motives have never been investigated properly goes without saying although they certainly would be in any less annealed, independent society.

As the towers were flaming and then when they were going down, I was watching it on a neighbor’s tv, flipping the channels.  One of the things I remember most are the comments to the press by the people, particularly the NYFD, as they fled all the explosions in the buildings.  One in particular was a guy in the basement of one of the towers who was very early blasted out by an explosion there.  It was later, when the news coverage treated the fall of the 3 buildings as being caused by the two planes that my disbelief began.  What caused these explosions so many floors below the points of impact?  One doesn’t knock down two behemoth steel buildings with two airplanes, I don’t care how huge the planes are, and certainly not falling  into the buildings’ own footprints as the 3 buildings there fell.

My first foray into the subject on the internet involved months of exploring independent engineering reports of the event and most of them were in agreement.  I learned that building detonation is an art of high caliber and easily recognizable and easily  concluded that the 3 buildings had been purposfully destroyed.  I believe that there is now even a site of such experts on the web trying to get people past denial to understand this simple fact.

I too thought about motive at that point, which turned out to be the easiest part because it is all public record.

Then, trying to fit all t he pieces together, I wondered about the crash in the field in Pennsylvania and the Pentagon.  I found a site of airline pilots and other professionals trying to get past the American public’s denial to show that the plane in the field I believe they said had been destroyed in air, and that the Pentagon had most likely never been hit by a plane.  I’m not good with the details of this stuff but everything else I was able to come up with corroborated this site’s findings, and I realized that there was as usual little truth in media, only manipulation.  I believe what eventually enlightened me most at that point had something to do with or is called "pilots for 9/11 truth".

The next big question in my mind was where the hell was our air defense during these rather protracted events?  When I finally absorbed information on that, I was shocked at the transparancy of the obfuscation, not to mention the stupidity of those who pulled it off, to think that the "ignorant children" of our country would never see it.  It was never hidden at all, it was just handled with "spin" for the masses.  It is a lot of dark fun to find out about why our air defense did not respond at ALL to the attacks on WTC, but I’ll leave that to you for a dark winter’s afternoon. Just remember that logically, the second plane would never have hit WTC had ANY of our defense been scrambled.

Had you not posted, CB, I would not have posted in this thread at all.  But your methodical, logical approach, not to mention detached, scientific attitude encourage me to think that you may be like our Chris is on the economic front, the one to pull all of the emotion out of 9/11 and show us the truth and the natural progression of such events.

Rosemary

  • Sun, Mar 01, 2009 - 03:45am

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Interesting company

architects and engineers http://www.ae911truth.org…
scholars http://stj911.com/
Firefighters http://firefightersfor911…
Lawyers http://l911t.com/
Patriots http://patriotsquestion91…
Pilots http://pilotsfor911truth….
Religious leaders http://rl911truth.org/
Scientists http://physics911.net/
Veterans http://v911t.org/
Just a bunch more http://www.journalof911st…

  • Sun, Mar 01, 2009 - 03:53am

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Speaking of 9/11, the heroic whistle blower Sibel Edmonds is back in the news and she’s talking. You may remember that her testimony was omitted from the final 9/11 Commission Report which angered many families of the victims. It had already been reported that she had some blockbuster allegations and that she had passed a polygraph test and had a full list of supportive documents.  A big question was and is, did her documents corroborate with official transcripts? 

She has been silenced through very unusual and ominous orders that were
challenged all the way up to the Supreme Court – she lost her case and
was effectively censored indefinitely. At a minimum, anyone
remotely interested in 9/11 truth should hear her story.

Kill The Messenger  (Video and Story Link)

Most Americans have never heard of Sibel Edmonds, and if the U.S. government has its way, they never will. The former FBI translator turned whistleblower tells a chilling story of corruption at Washington’s highest levels-sale of nuclear secrets, shielding of terrorist suspects, illegal arms transfers, narcotics trafficking, money laundering, espionage. She may be a first-rate fabulist, but Edmonds’s account is full of dates, places, and names. And if she is to be believed, a treasonous plot to embed moles in American military and nuclear installations and pass sensitive intelligence to Israeli, Pakistani, and Turkish sources was facilitated by figures in the upper echelons of the State and Defense Departments. Her charges could be easily confirmed or dismissed if classified government documents were made available to investigators.

After five years of thwarted legal challenges and fruitless attempts to launch a congressional investigation, Sibel Edmonds is telling her story, though her defiance could land her in jail. After reading its November piece about Louai al-Sakka, an al-Qaeda terrorist who trained 9/11 hijackers in Turkey, Edmonds approached the Sunday Times of London. On Jan. 6, the Times, a Murdoch-owned paper that does not normally encourage exposés damaging to the Bush administration, featured a long article. The news quickly spread around the world, with follow-ups appearing in Israel, Europe, India, Pakistan, Turkey, and Japan-but not in the United States.

Senator Bob Graham (Intelliegence Matters), past chairman of the Senate Intelligence
Committee and a leader the joint congressional inquiry into the Sept.
11 attacks commented on the 9/11 Commission in saying:

"I agree
with what Senator Shelby said, the degree to which the agencies were
not coordinating was certainly a surprise: but also I was surprised at
the evidence that there were foreign governments involved in
facilitating the activities of at least some of the terrorists in the
United States.

I am stunned that we have not done a better job
of pursuing that to determine if other terrorists received similar
supports, and even more important, if the infrastructure of a foreign
government assisting terrorists still exists for the current generation
of terrorists who are planing the next plots. To me that is an
extremely significant issue and most of that information is classified.
I think overly classified."

The thinking on the street has been
that Sibel Edmonds undisclosed testimony was instrumental in Graham’s
warning
that foreign nations were involved in the support and cover-up
of the 9/11 attackers.

Sibel Edmonds youtube video library

Larry

  • Sun, Mar 01, 2009 - 04:26am

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Enough people simply refuse to believe that the government and the people who own it would do something so horrendous to civilians.  Enough of the media bought the various cover-up stories posing as explanations.  Enough experts were available to concoct the stories that purported to show that physics supported the claims that box cutter wielding crazies carried off the crime of the century.  Then came the anthrax and scare stories.  After that, the military campaign to get some payback.  And now 911 is irrelevant.

One can go through the official accounts and analysis and point out the flaws.  Some of the remains of the steel columns were analyzed and found to be suspiciously contaminated with chemicals consistent with controlled demolition.  One can point out that the quantity of flammable materials present could never have softened the steel to cause the collapse.  Furthermore, one could demonstrate that it’s impossible for any building to collapse through the path of greatest resistance at near free-fall speed without having the supports removed ahead of the collapse.  One can point to the jets of material emitted from the Twin Towers ahead of the collapse that are consistent with explosive charges.  There’s a video pan of the wreckage that shows a support column severed on a diagonal.  This is done so that the cut column will also "walk" to the side and not hang at the cut.  One could also point to the largest destruction of evidence in history.  All that and much more.  And now 911 is irrelevant.

What this shows is that even a sloppy crime can still be a perfect crime if it is perpetrated against the right set of people.  Enough Americans were scared into believing the official story so that the minority voices were drowned out in a sea of outcry against the official enemies of the Matrix.  The fact that the political class routinely murders thousands of innocents means nothing.  Qui bono?  The political class that owns and runs most of everything were the winners.  They got their war for oil.  They got new ways to control the populace by force if necessary.  They also rolled back habeas corpus and a bunch of other rights.

The collapse of industrial culture is coming and the political class knows it.  They are preparing.  Don’t be fooled by Barack Obama.  He’s just another in a line of managers of empire.  He’ll do what is required to keep the empire afloat.

The Matrix wins again. 

  • Sun, Mar 01, 2009 - 04:57am

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Building Demolition

9/11 Debunked: World Trade Center’s Collapse Explained

9/11 Debunked: Pentagon Flight 77 Photo Evidence

9/11 Debunked: 95% of United 93 found

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Building 7 is the smoking gun. 

How anyone can look at that "structural failure" and not see it for the perfect example of a controlled demolition is beyond me.  Here is a 47 story modern skyscraper that would be the tallest building in most major cities yet next to the twin towers it did not stand out.  There is a video that shows what appear to be demolition "squibs" rising in sequence as the building starts its descent.

 

The building fell in just 6.5 seconds into a very compact and neat pile.  6.5 seconds is the same amount of time it would take for an object to free fall from the roof of the building. 

http://www.wtc7.net/rubblepile.html

If you look at the picture in the above link the Building 7 missed all the buildings around it.  In order to make it fall that symetrically it would require all vertical columns to fail within 1/10th of a second.  Otherwise the building would move in a direction that would damage other buildings.

There is a video of a Dutch Controlled Demolition expert, Danny Jawenko, that states that this is a controlled demolition.  In this video he did not know that he was looking at a film of a building on 9/11.  He states the reasons he is sure this is a controlled demolition and when he is told the building collapsed on 9/11 he asks over and over "on 9/11 are you sure?".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3DRhwRN06I

He still stands by his word today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QajDxF9uEf4&feature=related

I find it interesting when Professor Steven Jones was interviewed on MSNBC the network would only show a still shot of the building but not the video. 

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=steven%20jones%20tv%20interview&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADBR_en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wv#

 And finally for your viewing pleasure, "Who Killed John O’Neill"

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=who+killed+john+o%27neill&www_google_domain=www.google.com&hl=en&emb=0&aq=2&oq=who+killed+john+#

The ultimate story of irony, the FBI counter intelligence officer who tracked Bin Laden and resigned out of frustration of being "blocked" from higher ups at the FBI.  He took a job as head of security at the World Trade Center.  His first day on the job was 9/10.  He died on 9/11. 

 

 

 

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…nothing to change my mind.

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The issue I have with conspiracy issues surrounding 9/11 is twofold.

First of all, people give these boneheads in government too much credibility.  Honestly, I don’t think bureaucrats are that smart and probably couldn’t get a job in the private sector if they tried.  Tell me one thing any government entity has ever done correctly???

I don’t think they even knew what to do – which explains the slow response to events.  You have to remember that the air force had never trained for this type of event.  In fact, I think it was unthinkable for all of us that this type of event woud happen.

Secondly,  I worked at a building in Calgary that was built identical to WTC.  In fact, we based a lot of our life safety procedures on their model, especially after the first parkade bombing.

The outside of the buildings were made of structual steel on 3 foot centres.  The inside core was concrete and structural steel and the floors in between were web truss with q-decking on top.  They then poured cement over the decking.

The explosion would have knocked off the fire retardent and the heat would have bowed the steel, which resulted in the floors collapsing like a deck of cards as the support from the outside walls was now lost. 

The third tower just took longer. It wasn’t a direct hit, but the fuel and combustible materials from both towers would have greatly impacted it’s integrity.

We knew why the buildings collapsed they way they did because we were very familiar with their design.  However, for those who don’t understand the stuctural aspect, it’s easy to dismiss it.

 

 

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