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  • Sat, Feb 28, 2009 - 11:52pm

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Again, I acknowledge that it would be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to not only secretly rig a building with explosives, but also keep the technicians silent after they watched the building collapse.

That said, there is no question about it, building 7 doesn’t seem like it should have fallen at all, certainly not the way it did. Again, the building is designed to withstand fire, and it was NOT hit by a plane. 

I could be wrong, but I believe that building 7 was not seriously investigated in the 9/11 Commission report. If that’s the case, it is troubling, because the action of building 7 was pretty much the most bizzare when considered against the damaged inflicted.

Again, I can’t draw clear conclusions from what appears to be conflicting data. So until something truly conclusive comes along, I choose to not trust the official story and remain skeptical. Unfortunately, the issue of the World Trade Center may never adequately be explained.

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Why would the events of 9/11 be staged?

The answer is a false flag operation in order to move public opinion in a direction it would not otherwise go.

 Where are the historical examples of false flag operations one might ask?

Well there is the recently discovered (1999 or 2000) example of Operation Northwoods:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=operation+northwoods&www_google_domain=www.google.com&hl=en&emb=0&aq=0&oq=operation+no#

The subject was discussed on ABC’s Nightline.  This was signed off by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.  Very extreme example of a way to lead an unwilling public into a war.

There is the example of the horrific attack on the USS Liberty to bring the US into the 6 day war on against Egypt:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=uss+liberty+attack&www_google_domain=www.google.com&hl=en&emb=0&aq=1&oq=uss+li#q=uss+liberty+attack+bbc&hl=en&emb=0

Why was the FBI complicit in the first World Trade Center Bombing?

 http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=uss+liberty+attack&www_google_domain=www.google.com&hl=en&emb=0&aq=1&oq=uss+li#q=CBS+1993+world+trade+center+bombing+foreknowledge&hl=en&emb=0

What about foreknowledge in the 9/11 attacks?  Well there is always the example of Able Danger:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=able+danger&www_google_domain=www.google.com&hl=en&emb=0&aq=0&oq=able+dan#

 How about the mysterious case of the Dancing Israelis?  Why were these Mossad agents there "to film the event" as said in there own words?

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=able+danger&www_google_domain=www.google.com&hl=en&emb=0&aq=0&oq=able+dan#

 

With examples such as these it is not a stretch to think that the "official story" of 9/11 is not what really happened.

Crazy conspiracy theorist or just untrusting of the MSM?

Let go of your pre-concieved notions of the world and look outside the box!

  • Sun, Mar 01, 2009 - 12:19am

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  It’s no wonder this is the way we all (ok, some of us) feel this way.  Part of it is just analytical, scientific method.  Part of it is that we know we’ve been lied to before.  It’s unfortunate that some of us don’t trust anymore…  but how can you trust in a system, that when examined in detail, is entrenched in subterfuge?  The government and business have not been good custodians.  Our environment (in the control of the previous culprits) has not been protected on any level except the groundswell of the local populace, and sometimes not even then.  Although we have tried for the last 30 years on that account.

  Respect and honor are earned.  Nowadays it’s bought and expected.  Just another entitlement.  A breeding ground.

  TPTB invite conspiracy theorists with their inadequate and disfunctional reporting of the fact and figures.

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"Everyone is a moron?"

That’s not what I said….. 

That anyone, in the face of mathematical FACT dismisses the multiplier effect and PO, to me, is moronic.

Zeitgeist is so full of holes it’s not funny.  Much of it is true, but when a presumably factual piece is so full of inaccuracies, I’m afraid its credibility is blown out the window.

Mike 

  • Sun, Mar 01, 2009 - 12:41am

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Watch this carefully and then tell me what you see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nc5_5IJek8

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[quote=Sandman3369]

It’s no wonder this is the way we all (ok, some of us) feel this way.  Part of it is just analytical, scientific method.  Part of it is that we know we’ve been lied to before.  It’s unfortunate that some of us don’t trust anymore…  but how can you trust in a system, that when examined in detail, is entrenched in subterfuge?  The government and business have not been good custodians.  Our environment (in the control of the previous culprits) has not been protected on any level except the groundswell of the local populace, and sometimes not even then.  Although we have tried for the last 30 years on that account.

Respect and honor are earned.  Nowadays it’s bought and expected.  Just another entitlement.  A breeding ground.

TPTB invite conspiracy theorists with their inadequate and disfunctional reporting of the fact and figures.

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Sandman3369 – Well said!

 

Worker Bee – I agree with your comment: "The answer is a false flag operation in order to move public opinion in a direction it would not otherwise go.
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It’s scary that our government has cooked up so many nefarious schemes in the past. No wonder we don’t trust them!

However, the existence of past conspiracies doesn’t mean everything that follows is automatically a conspiracy. Although It does make one question their government more than we should have to!

  • Sun, Mar 01, 2009 - 01:03am

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  I’m as optimistic as anyone!  Sometimes my posts don’t translate as much.  I don’t automatically assume everything they do is a ‘plan’.  Just seems to turn out that way!  I have a hard time rationalizing that all the little things put in the bills this last few (uuhhmm…. back to the war on drugs at least) years wasn’t put there to give our ‘leaders’ the where-with-all to control us.  Money is actually the last step.. . . .  We THE People need to step it up!  This is not the time to pussy-foot around.  If the numbers on our opposition to these stimuli don’t say it all, what does?  And our reps do it anyway. 

  Not sure if I’m ranting or preaching, but my SO calls… fight the good fight!  That is what we should expect of everyone, especially our leaders! 

  • Sun, Mar 01, 2009 - 01:08am

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[quote=Sam]Hi Strabes,

While I agree with your comment, "Billionaires do crazy things.", it begs the question: Why would a government cabal help Silverstein pull it off? And how did they get 19 Saudi Arabians to hijack the planes? Not to mention the fact that they also went after the Pentagon and the fourth plane was destined for Washington, DC.

Are you perhaps suggesting that the idea was to destroy the Pentagon and Congress so that whoever dreamed this up could take over the country? Except Bush and Cheney were out of the line of fire, so that wouldn’t have worked.

At the same time, you are asking me to believe that it was all kept top secret in spite of the number of people that had to be involved to prep two 110-story building’s, as well as Building 7, for being blown up. I also have a hard time believing that all the investigating groups, including the 9/11 commission, could have been silenced or bought off.

Also, the idea that all the debris was quickly carted away (which actually took months) to hide the fact that explosives were used is also weak.

With all due respect to your intelligence, Strabes, can’t you see that there are too many holes in your theory?[/quote]

Sam, no I don’t see holes…certainly not as many holes that arise from the official version of the story.  In response to each of your questions…

– it doesn’t have to be a government cabal (though a lot of people including an ex-senior FBI SAIC says it is…the illuminati).  it could be just people getting paid to engage in criminal behavior.  extremely common.  how many US govt bureaucrats have engaged in treason for a little cash from the USSR?  and a billionaire pays much better than the KGB.  congressmen, bureaucrats, cops are always being caught in criminal activity to line their pockets.

– how did they get 19 saudis?  Bin Laden did.  Note, I’m suggesting the possibility that Silverstein was in on the game, not that he pulled it all off without Bin Laden.  These are two super-rich people playing high stakes poker.  Al Qaeda isn’t a random bottom-up group.  It’s financed by a billionaire…a guy who has too much money and wants to play games with the world.  Why do you believe THAT billionaire could orchestrate the whole thing but THIS billionaire couldn’t have possibly because that’s just not believable?  Most groups like Al Qaeda have a criminal billionaire behind them.  Even the old PLO, supposedly just a bunch of street guys trying to fight for their rights, was financed by a billionaire…Arafat was worth $1-3 billion.  The James Bond movies with evil billionaires trying to takeover the world seem to be a more real portrayal of the way the world works than our junior high civics classes are.

– no I’m not suggesting their goal was to take over the country.  their goal was to do exactly what they did…make it look like terrorists attacked our country and destroyed the buildings.  that makes Silverstein’s insurance policy kick in, which was specifically written shortly before the attack to include terrorism

– yes I think it’s possible to rig explosives without being caught.  hit men do it all the time on a smaller scale when the scene isn’t controlled so it’s a much higher risk of being caught.  the inner guts of a skyscraper is very controlled…the owner and the building’s security force can control it very tightly if they want.  billionaires regularly hire ex-black ops professionals for their security teams. they’re good.  

– the investigations never happened.  FBI and other professional investigators typically do this work.  the 9/11 commission was a bunch of idiots called politicians.  they don’t have a clue how to run a real investigation.  they didn’t need to be bought off…they just needed to be incompetent, which we all know they are. 

– the way the debris was handled points to something suspicious, not the other way around.  FBI wasn’t allowed to do its job.   

Having said all this, I’m not saying the Silverstein hypothesis is true.  I’m just saying it’s possible.  It is a hypothesis that should have been investigated, along with many other hypotheses a real investigative team would have come up with.  Something weird happened.  It was never investigated.  The official version is BS.  

 

 

 

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[quote=Worker Bee]

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With examples such as these it is not a stretch to think that the "official story" of 9/11 is not what really happened.

Crazy conspiracy theorist or just untrusting of the MSM?

Let go of your pre-concieved notions of the world and look outside the box!

[/quote]

 

Worker Bee,

I watched the Lou Dobbs clip w/Rep.Curt Weldon and their discussion of Able Danger.

My take is this: We have a bunch of self-centered, moronic, bureaucrats embedded in this government who are more interested in playing CYA than anything else. Anytime they screw up, they try to blame someone else. Along with that we have these stupid, stupid, territorial battles where everyone is defending their turf and refuses to share their stuff with anyone else.These idiots are going to destroy our government if the bankers don’t do it first.

It’s not so much that there is a 9/11 conspiracy involving the US government so much as its a conspiracy of all those scumbags covering their asses because they royally screwed up!

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[quote=strabes][quote=Sam]Hi Strabes,

While I agree with your comment, "Billionaires do crazy things.", it begs the question: Why would a government cabal help Silverstein pull it off? And how did they get 19 Saudi Arabians to hijack the planes? Not to mention the fact that they also went after the Pentagon and the fourth plane was destined for Washington, DC.

Are you perhaps suggesting that the idea was to destroy the Pentagon and Congress so that whoever dreamed this up could take over the country? Except Bush and Cheney were out of the line of fire, so that wouldn’t have worked.

At the same time, you are asking me to believe that it was all kept top secret in spite of the number of people that had to be involved to prep two 110-story building’s, as well as Building 7, for being blown up. I also have a hard time believing that all the investigating groups, including the 9/11 commission, could have been silenced or bought off.

Also, the idea that all the debris was quickly carted away (which actually took months) to hide the fact that explosives were used is also weak.

With all due respect to your intelligence, Strabes, can’t you see that there are too many holes in your theory?[/quote]

Sam, no I don’t see holes…certainly not as many holes that arise from the official version of the story.  In response to each of your questions…

– it doesn’t have to be a government cabal (though a lot of people including an ex-senior FBI SAIC says it is…the illuminati).  it could be just people getting paid to engage in criminal behavior.  extremely common.  how many US govt bureaucrats have engaged in treason for a little cash from the USSR?  and a billionaire pays much better than the KGB.  congressmen, bureaucrats, cops are always being caught in criminal activity to line their pockets.

– how did they get 19 saudis?  Bin Laden did.  Note, I’m suggesting the possibility that Silverstein was in on the game, not that he pulled it all off without Bin Laden.  These are two super-rich people playing high stakes poker.  Al Qaeda isn’t a random bottom-up group.  It’s financed by a billionaire…a guy who has too much money and wants to play games with the world.  Why do you believe THAT billionaire could orchestrate the whole thing but THIS billionaire couldn’t have possibly because that’s just not believable?  Most groups like Al Qaeda have a criminal billionaire behind them.  Even the old PLO, supposedly just a bunch of street guys trying to fight for their rights, was financed by a billionaire…Arafat was worth $1-3 billion.  The James Bond movies with evil billionaires trying to takeover the world seem to be a more real portrayal of the way the world works than our junior high civics classes are.

– no I’m not suggesting their goal was to take over the country.  their goal was to do exactly what they did…make it look like terrorists attacked our country and destroyed the buildings.  that makes Silverstein’s insurance policy kick in, which was specifically written shortly before the attack to include terrorism

– yes I think it’s possible to rig explosives without being caught.  hit men do it all the time on a smaller scale when the scene isn’t controlled so it’s a much higher risk of being caught.  the inner guts of a skyscraper is very controlled…the owner and the building’s security force can control it very tightly if they want.  billionaires regularly hire ex-black ops professionals for their security teams. they’re good.  

– the investigations never happened.  FBI and other professional investigators typically do this work.  the 9/11 commission was a bunch of idiots called politicians.  they don’t have a clue how to run a real investigation.  they didn’t need to be bought off…they just needed to be incompetent, which we all know they are. 

– the way the debris was handled points to something suspicious, not the other way around.  FBI wasn’t allowed to do its job.   

Having said all this, I’m not saying the Silverstein hypothesis is true.  I’m just saying it’s possible.  It is a hypothesis that should have been investigated, along with many other hypotheses a real investigative team would have come up with.  Something weird happened.  It was never investigated.  The official version is BS.[/quote]

 

Strabes,

I guess we’ll have to take separate paths on this one. I can understand your suspicions about our government. Although, as I said to Worker Bee, I think some of it is more from incompetence than maliciousness.

However, I don’t deny that the government has been involved in some real nasty stuff in the past, so I can understand why your initial reaction is to suspect the government (or some secret portion thereof).

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