The Complete Idiot’s Guide to the New World Order
If you accept the Crash Course #8 (The Fed – Money Creation) you are already conspiracy theorists. Consider the content of that CC – we have a monetary system that was destined to fail from the start. What are the implications of that? Does anyone think for a moment that Chris Martenson was the first or the only one to recognize the terminal flaw of multiplying debt interest (exponential growth)?
History records that our system has collapsed at least twice before since it’s inception in 1913. The result was a huge transfer of wealth from the depressed population to international bankers in a consolidation of the banking industry. Besides the major blow-ups, we have had a perpetual bleeding of the masses through inflation which cannot be avoided with our system. In the last eight years, the dollar has lost over 25% of it’s value. Since 1913, it takes over $21 to equal what a dollar could buy back then.
Note the big hit the dollar took commencing in 1913 – the Federal Reserve took control of our monetary policy and the issuance of our currency. We are racing towards the greatest collapse of our national and international monetary systems that will dwarf all previous collapses.
Most of the population has been steadily losing wealth each year, year after year through inflation according to John Williams "Shadow Statistics." Did your income go up 12-14% in 2008? If not you lost buying power and wealth.
When it comes to monetary policy, "conspiracy theorists" are really critical thinkers that have the intellectual strength and confidence in mathematics to challenge the accepted theories that are fed to us on a daily basis via the mainstream media and our education system.
Newsweek Magazine ran an article stating that "We are all socialists now." The Crash Course is a testament to the fact that "we are all conspiracy theorists now" (terminal monetary flaws, peak oil, environmental ruin are after all just theories).
I am proud that so many people here are critical thinkers – this is direly needed if we are ever to have any hope of changing things for the better in building sustainable society. Many dismiss us as being conspiracy theorists – if so – I will wear that distinction with pride.
If the 3 buildings in question were intentionally brought down via controlled demolition, when were they wired for destruction? When they were originally built so all the explosives were hidden inside? Of course not. So how did they wire such huge buildings with sufficient explosives to bring them down and NOBODY NOTICED?
There is much people do not know. The buildings within the week prior to the buildings collapse had been occupied by a team of maintenance engineers who had not been scheduled by the buildings management. The work conducted is unknown yet 15 men are signed in and listed within the buildings logs for both towers.
Don’t look at 9-11 as if it was a conspiracy, or what happened was not a plausible event. The building was by design made to withstand the impact from an aeroplane. Those who just wish it could not have been an orchestrated event are telling themselves this because the truth is far beyond any rational reason. Sorry to say it but the evidence is clear these builds had been pre prepped to collapse, did they not they still would have been pulled down.
You think the people involved were hijackers of commercial airliners? And that by accident not one but two planes executed with guided accuracy. Hollywood could not have done a better rendition.
It still begs the question – why do this in the first place?
I’m with Lisa……
Besides, from past experiences over these issues, they can be argued until we all turn blue in the face, and none of us will change our spots…..
The world is ruled by morons, of that there is no doubt. So I suggest we leave it at that…. something we can surely ALL agree on! 🙂
Sam, the destruction seen in hundreds of videos and still photos shows explosive demolition with dust and debris violently ejected both to the sides and upward. This is not a gravity based collapse. A gravity collapse with failure at point on impact would have resulted in the upper portion of the tower settling on the lower and then falling off as an intact body. It could never have destroyed the lower portion – a physical impossibility. Concrete does not turn to dust from a gravity based impact. It is believed that final preparations were made over the summer when elevators, power cables, and fire systems were being repaired. A multitude of eyewitness described powerful explosions before and during the collapse including many police and firefighters. This page describes a reasonable hypothesis for how the destruction was accomplished:
While your question "how could the charges have been set?" is a reasonable one, when you consider that the official story is a physical impossiblity and that the pictures and video and eywitness accounts describe something completely different, your question does not constitute refutation of physical laws and evidence.
See my reply to RubberRims in post #41.
Re your post #40, I respectfully disagree with your terminology in your first sentence …
If you accept the Crash Course #8 (The Fed – Money Creation) you are already conspiracy theorists.
… because I absolutely agree with this sentence:
I am proud that so many people here are critical thinkers – this is
direly needed if we are ever to have any hope of changing things for
the better in building sustainable society.
As you state, we are "critical thinkers" which means we are not "conspiracy theorists". A critical thinker works with facts as did Dr. Martenson in the CC. He presented the material in a factual way and proved his point through pure logic. That’s a big difference from someone who picks an end point (the gummint done this to us!) then adjusts the facts backwards to make sure they fit what they are convinced must have happened.
The above discussion re 9/11 is proof of that.
Sam, is your question "why perpetrate such a horror?" If so I thik the answer is very clear – in order to instill fear in the population so they will accept things/actions that they would otherwise oppose. I think you will soon see this played out again as the financial crisis worsens – certain types of threats to social order and fear will be used to advance actions contrary to the public interest. Or did I misunderstand you?
i am going to make a bold assertion …………i am the only one on this site to have seen the plans for the wtc.
i was dating my future wife in 1967. her father was the deputy comptroller of the new york port authority. this is the organization which handles all the traffic , car, truck ship, and plane in and out of n.y. the buildings were built on the land owned by the nypa.
my future father in law brought the plans home and he would show them to me and explain a lot about the construction. including the fact that the specs called for all furnishings to be fire proof. fire was a prime concern in a 110 story building.
my father in law grew up in n.y. when the empire state building was hit by a plane.
he specifically told me the buildings were designed to withstand the impact of a plane.
as for how the explosives could be installed and no on would know ( in addition to a previous post about the engineers conducting inspections) all of the mechanical systems were run inside areas not accessible to the residents of the building. they would be completely unaware of anyone installing explosives.
the seismograph at columbia u. recorded the explosions
if you are predisposed to believe it was a conspiracy you will believe it. if not then you wont. there are people obviously who out of hand will dismiss any idea of a conspiracy. the holocuast was a theory until 1945
what benefit and to whom accrues should be a question either side would want to ask..
certainly quite a few benefits accrued to people like bob rubin, gw, cheney a lot of folks under investigation by the sec ,defense contractors, silverstein etc.
but of course our current economic meltdown is an accident brought on by the misguided economic policies of the smartest guys in the room.
" we have the most powerful econometric tools and models in the world at the fed and just because we have been wrong 14 straight quarters does not mean we will be wrong in the 15th"
i have a whole bottel of blue pills.
Oklahoma City Bombing
Explain this, I don’t remember anything about three bombs?
Oklahoma City Bombing – Cover up – part 1
[quote=Sam]It still begs the question – why do this in the first place?[/quote]
Morning Sam, I look for simple motive like any crime, and it usually follows the money…I’m pasting in my previous post again…
…this is where I part with the 9/11 conspiracists. I doubt it was a US govt operation…bureaucrats are too inept to pull it off. If anything, the most plausible to me is that it was done by the Silverstein financial interests who owned the WTC. Total payout to them when all the court cases are over could be $7 billion. The owners would be in the best position to demolish the buildings…the same way people burn their own houses. For Silverstein to pull it off, they would need certain moles inside the govt (cia, fbi, fema), but this doesn’t mean the government was behind it.
Billionaires do crazy things. Most didn’t get a billion by being nice, loving people. It wouldn’t be hard for one billionaire to coordinate with another billionaire family named Bin Laden and buyoff the necessary people in govt.
I’ve seen many explanations for the potential for explosives (notably thermite). Explosives certainly would explain a lot of what happened, but I think the biggest hurdle to get over would be installing them. Though difficult, I don’t see this as impossible.
To the issue of people keeping a secret: Our government’s secrets in this country is compartmentalized. The result is that people only know very specific and disconnected pieces of the big picture. Even though thousands of people might work on a project, only the very few at the top will see how all the pieces are interconnected. So I say there is at least a possibility that this could still be kept a secret for the simple reason that if it were a "conspiracy" then only a very few people really needed to know the full picture.
I do find the "official" 9/11 investigative report very troubling. I don’t believe it addresses building 7 and certainly seems incomplete. I would have expected a 10 year bureaucratic investigative process, but we got no such thing.
Another question I’ve had is why did we promptly remove and destroy or secure all evidence? Why aren’t we still picking through the ruins of the towers so that we can better learn how to build better buildings? This is the biggest building disaster in history, surely our government would allow scientists to comb the wreckage, right?
And now let’s just use the "trust yourself" / gut check type approach: 9/11 allowed for the biggest expansion of (Unconstitutional) government powers that we’ve ever seen. Cheney was right, perception did lag reality (oops! is still lagging reality). It troubles, angers, and disappoints me that the people in this country, particularly the liberals, have not fought the Patriot Act more forcefully. We’ve had our Liberties given away and we paid the price with inflation to boot.
Finally, if 9/11 was a "conspiracy," it wouldn’t be the first time this has happened. Word has it that Roman emperors engaged in domestic terrorism repeatedly for the purpose of consolidating their power and pushing their agendas. Franklin Roosevelt was warned by the Aussie’s that a Japanese carrier group was going to Hawai’i 2 days before Pearl Harbor, yet he took no action. Imagine the boost in approval ratings that he got just after December 7th. Our CIA has given LSD and other drugs to civilians without their informed consent, has pursued and executed political assassinations around the globe in secret, and has been implicated in numerous corrupt arms and drug smuggling operations. My simple question is this: Are we really safe if we default to trust without being sure it has been earned?
So my "official" stance is that I’m not sure 9/11 was intentional or known before hand, but it wouldn’t surprise me if there was a lot of fault on the part of our own government. I find the official 9/11 investigation weak, to say the least and I demand something better. I hope that more civilians and indies will continue to find the truth about this event, because I know I haven’t heard the full, untarnished truth yet. I simply cannot blindly trust a government that refuses to trust me.