The Complete Idiot’s Guide to the New World Order

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  • Sat, Feb 28, 2009 - 07:20am

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[quote=Worker Bee]

Hey Sam,

Go to google video and search for Scott Forbes.  He worked in the Twin Towers and has some interesting stories concerning activities in the months prior to 9/11. 

The 9/11 Commission Report is a joke.  They were set up to fail.  It took over 400+ days to even start an investigation.  Why did it take so long?  The investigation into Pearl Harbor took less than 10 days as well as the Kennedy assassination.  Besides the Wikipedia entry you’ve linked in a prior post what other info have you read concerning the events surrounding 9/11?  I never even suspected anything was amiss concerning the "official story" until 2005 when I started to read some of the claims from the 9/11 truth movement.  Since then I have spent hundreds of hours reading on the subject.  There is more to the event than 19 hijackers with box cutters.

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OK, Worker Bee. To be fair to you I will check out Scott Forbes.

In the meantime, though, I am still having a very big problem with the intimation that the U.S. government was actually responsible for 9/11. What would they gain from it? GWB had already decided he was going to take on Saddam Hussein for some unknown reason even though the WMD’s were discredited and the purported plot to kill his daddy (GHWB) was apparently another lie (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1019-05.htm).

Again, the whole demolition of the three WTC buildings seems totally unreal. At what point did they decide to take out the WTC towers and Building 7? Why would they do this? If it was to destroy evidence, why didn’t they do it at night or on the weekend when there were less people involved? Are you suggesting that they were in cahoots with the "19 hijackers with box cutters"? If top level government officials were involved, why would Dick Cheney bother to cancel all flights in the entire U.S. since he would have known that no other planes were involved?

While all those who believe 9/11 was a conspiracy raise all kinds of questions, I can raise just as many questions in return.

Sorry, but I’m still not buying it.

I’ll have to check out Scott Forbes later this weekend. I see by the clock on the wall that it’s almost my bedtime!

  • Sat, Feb 28, 2009 - 07:33am

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Sam, I admit it’s not something that sounds very believable.  But neither is it very believable that a multi-year operation to infiltrate the US and pulloff the 9/11 attacks without a hitch could happen without anybody noticing either, and that a couple FBI agents who did notice were totally ignored and threatened with their jobs.  Yet it happened.  

Having worked in a Wall St highrise with 20,000 people, I can tell you that only a handful have access to the infrastructure of the building.  The standard employees are routed through the normal flow of traffic, straight to the main elevators, straight to their corporate floors.  And they’re all busy in their mind-numbed daily routine worried about how to trade the market that day…they aren’t paying attention to the building.  Almost nobody sees the inner facility…certainly not the core vertical columns. 

I feel like saying "aw c’mon everybody – you’re smarter than that" when it comes to building 7.  How do you explain it?  Being near other buildings that fall doesn’t bring down a skyscraper, and certainly not in such an efficient manner.

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But neither is it very believable that a multi-year operation to
infiltrate the US and pulloff the 9/11 attacks without a hitch could
happen without anybody noticing either …

On the contrary – slipping 19 people into our country with the porous borders that we have is a no-brainer. And, at that time, the idea of someone seriously planning to fly an airplane into a building intentionally would have been considered absurd.

Remember, Americans have a peculiar flaw. We value life so much that we cannot comprehend the idea that someone would willingly commit suicide on behalf of a cause. Remember the Japanese Kamikaze’s? Well, these Islamic extremists also don’t seem to care if they die. In fact, they seem to look forward to the prospect! (Guess they don’t want to keep all those virgins waiting!)  Wink

I see your point about the high-rise traffic and how people tend to only go their own predictable way, but I’m still having trouble envisioning all that explosive and all that wiring in such huge buildings and no one noticing. Sorry, but I just can’t wrap my head around that as a reality.

Also, I watched the video of Building 7 collapsing. When I think of all the other buildings I have ever watched collapse on TV, Building 7 was the only one I can ever remember collapsing perfectly vertical without any hint of sway or dipping on one side or the other. Makes me wonder if the video wasn’t doctored?

  • Sat, Feb 28, 2009 - 07:39am

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Sam, this is where I part with the 9/11 conspiracists.  I don’t think it was a US govt operation…bureaucrats are too inept to pull it off.  If anything, the most plausible to me is that it was done by the Silverstein financial interests who owned the WTC. Total payout to them when all the court cases are over could be $7 billion.  The owners would be in the best position to demolish the buildings…the same way people burn their own houses.  For Silverstein to pull it off, they would need certain moles inside the govt (cia, fbi, fema), but this doesn’t mean the government was behind it. 

Billionaires do crazy things.  Most didn’t get a billion by being nice, loving people.  It wouldn’t be hard for one billionaire to coordinate with another billionaire family named Bin Laden and buyoff the necessary people in govt.

 

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When I saw all the action tonight was this new topic: The Complete Idiot’s Guide to a New World Order, I decided to take a look. I am going to make an ad hominen attack here but you guys who "believe" in conspiracies are the idiots. Sorry. I’ll let the others argue my point. I don’t have time for this nonsense and it is one of the reasons that I am questioning why I even bother with this website. I know this is pure emotion, but there is a lot of thought that preceded it.

  • Sat, Feb 28, 2009 - 08:49am

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"Aw c’mon, Strabes – you’re smarter than that. If you’ve ever seen thethousands of TV shots of buildings wired for demolition you know that
there are huge amounts of explosives involved and thousands of feet of
wire snaking every which way.

Do you honestly believe that three huge buildings could be surreptitiously
wired up by black ops groups and not a single person would notice that
things looked a little strange? If I remember correctly, the MSM at the
time reported approximately 50,000 people worked in the WTC towers. And
please don’t tell me that all the explosives were cleverly hidden –
you’d really be pushing the envelope with that one."

……in a building occupied 24/7 by SOMEBODY who wasn’t ‘in on it’ or in the mafia or…..

Mike 

  • Sat, Feb 28, 2009 - 09:02am

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[quote=SamLinder]

If the 3 buildings in question were intentionally brought down via controlled demolition, when were they wired for destruction? When they were originally built so all the explosives were hidden inside? Of course not. So how did they wire such huge buildings with sufficient explosives to bring them down and NOBODY NOTICED?

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There is much people do not know. The buildings within the week prior to the buildings collapse had been occupied by a team of maintenance engineers who had not been scheduled by the buildings management. The work conducted is unknown yet 15 men are signed in and listed within the buildings logs for both towers.

Don’t look at 9-11 as if it was a conspiracy, or what happened was not a plausible event. The building was by design made to withstand the impact from an aeroplane. Those who just wish it could not have been an orchestrated event are telling themselves this because the truth is far beyond any rational reason. Sorry to say it but the evidence is clear these builds had been pre prepped to collapse, did they not they still would have been pulled down.  

You think the people involved were hijackers of commercial airliners? And that by accident not one but two planes executed with guided accuracy. Hollywood could not have done a better rendition.

 

  • Sat, Feb 28, 2009 - 09:05am

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I’m with Lisa……

Besides, from past experiences over these issues, they can be argued until we all turn blue in the face, and none of us will change our spots…..

The world is ruled by morons, of that there is no doubt.  So I suggest we leave it at that….  something we can surely ALL agree on!  🙂

Mike 

  • Sat, Feb 28, 2009 - 03:13pm

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IF YOU BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENTS OFFICIAL STORY, THEN YOU’RE A CONSPIRACY THEORISTS TOO. 
  • Sat, Feb 28, 2009 - 04:29pm

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Sam, the destruction seen in hundreds of videos and still photos shows explosive demolition with dust and debris violently ejected both to the sides and upward. This is not a gravity based collapse. A gravity collapse with failure at point on impact would have resulted in the upper portion of the tower settling on the lower and then falling off as an intact body. It could never have destroyed the lower portion – a physical impossibility. Concrete does not turn to dust from a gravity based impact. It is believed that final preparations were made over the summer when elevators, power cables, and fire systems were being repaired. A multitude of eyewitness described powerful explosions before and during the collapse including many police and firefighters. This page describes a reasonable hypothesis for how the destruction was accomplished:

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

While your question "how could the charges have been set?" is a reasonable one, when you consider that the official story is a physical impossiblity and that the pictures and video and eywitness accounts describe something completely different, your question does not constitute refutation of physical laws and evidence.

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Lisa G, I understand and appreciate your sentiment – however, there was every opportunity for the administration at that time to simply have an open and credible investigation, to settle all questions beyond a reasonable doubt. Instead the reaction was to destroy and hide all evidence, resist and neuter all attempts for public accounting, to promote people who were responsible for public safety after public safety was violated and to punish all those who raised doubts or questioned official conduct. When questions were raised by the general public those questions were not answered but subjected to ridicule and rejected out of hand – despite the fact that the official story was implausible. The events of 9-11 were then systematically used to advance a pre-existing agenda that never could have gained public support without trading on that great national tragedy. These actions are not those of an aggrieved parent, but those of a guilty party with something terrible to hide. Sometimes the truth is so offensive that it is easier and more comforting to believe a lie.

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