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  • Sat, Feb 28, 2009 - 05:37am

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The best conspiracy theories revealed: Through the X-Files.

  • Sat, Feb 28, 2009 - 06:03am

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I don’t think "tons" of people were needed. That said, to believe the official story one needs to accept a series of events that range from the improbable to the impossible. That a few men with no practical experience flying commercial aircraft could successfully take over and fly them to their intended targets, including one within protected airspace while the most sophisticated defense system in the world had no response – in defiance of standard proceedures for interception of wayward aircraft that are routinely exercised – is highly improbable.

That three steel and concrete buildings could disintegrate into dust as a result of fires that they were designed to withstand is simply impossible. The towers had been specifically designed to withstand the impact of a large commercial airliner and the resulting fires. The official explanation for this is that steel floor supports sagged from heat and pulled free from the building core allowing the upper portion of the building to fall and progressively crush the building below into dust. This scenario is physically impossible for many reasons – the core columns remained intact, there is insufficient energy generated to produce this type of collapse, etc – and is not what is documented in the many videos of the collapses. In the videos one can see the upper portions simply disintegrate into dust before any impact on the lower portion of the structure. Material is explosively ejected in a progressive fashion as the lower floors disintegrate into dust. Despite the fact that the planes impacted the towers differently – causing different patterns of damage – and at different heights, both collapsed in nearly identical fashion. Building 7, which suffered minimal damage compared to other nearby structures, collapsed in an identical fashion – one entirely consistent with explosive demolition and in defiance of any other known mechanism of collapse.

The dust from the collapse of these buildings is full of the by products of a particular type of explosive specifically suited for this type of demolition.

The official explanation was offered almost immediately – before any evidence had been examined or any investigation begun. In fact, the area was locked down and the evidence systematically destroyed prior to investigation. All subsequent investigation was done in secrecy, and when completed simply restated the original explanation. No one was punished for this unprecedented act of terror and breach of security – however, numerous whistle blowers who raised doubts about the official story were punished.

The following article examines the official collapse theory:

http://heiwaco.tripod.com/nist3.htm

 

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CB,

I’m not going to spend much time on this one. I’ll simply ask these few simple questions:

If the 3 buildings in question were intentionally brought down via controlled demolition, when were they wired for destruction? When they were originally built so all the explosives were hidden inside? Of course not. So how did they wire such huge buildings with sufficient explosives to bring them down and NOBODY NOTICED?

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" 98.7% of statistics are made up on the spot " – Vic Reeves

  • Sat, Feb 28, 2009 - 06:10am

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Fellas, have you heard of the mafia?  Insiders don’t spill the beans…does that mean it doesn’t exist?  There’s no smoking gun that ever pointed to the top guys in the past…does it exist?  RICO codifies conspiracy…why would we need laws if conspiracies don’t exist?  Yet a certain Bush look proves to you that he knew about 9/11?  If he knew about it, there must be a lot of people on his team that knew.  Why do you believe they can keep a secret, but others can’t?

I used to think 9/11 conspiracists were idiots that just wanted to bring down Bush.  I thought they were psychologically deranged individuals.  Then the stuff I saw being done by Bush and Obama on this economic collapse was such an obvious raping of the people with the media playing us as total fools (because they’re also fools willing to listen to official govt versions of the story instead of doing hard investigation) that I had to consider that my old worldview was wrong.  I have since learned about the conspiracy behind the Fed Reserve and other reserve banks.  Massive massive conspiracy and look at how many years/decades the conspiracy has been kept quiet…a few people knew, but the masses still don’t know.  And this led me to checking out 9/11 too.  Have you ever taken the time to at least consider the evidence?  There’s an MIT engineer that gives a scientifically-based presentation similar to the crash course.  I don’t 100% accept the conspiracy option yet, but I don’t 100% believe the simple media version either.  The evidence leans more than 50/50 toward something else. But no investigation is allowed.  Evidence was destroyed.  People on the other side are immediately written off as nutjobs…ad hominem attack is an effective way of distracting people from the real issue.  

 Mike, you list the impact, the explosions, the fuel burning as proof that the version of 9/11 we saw on TV is all that occurred. Hmm. Not the type of analysis the CM site is known for.  I could list many more than 3 things in a sentence that suggest a conspiracy.  But to quickly consider the things you list: 1) other buildings have been impacted by aircraft without falling, and building 7 wasn’t impacted at all…fell just like the towers, 2) the explosions people reported on the ground floors and mid-level floors are actually indications of planned demolition not evidence supporting the popular version, 3) airplane fuel burns at low temperature that engineers say is too low to melt steel.

Not trying to start a fight.  Just hoping CM members make decisions based on solid evidence.  

  • Sat, Feb 28, 2009 - 06:20am

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Fellas, have you heard of the mafia?  Insiders don’t spill the beans…does that mean it doesn’t exist?  There’s no smoking gun that ever pointed to the top guys in the past…does it exist?  RICO codifies conspiracy…why would we need laws if conspiracies don’t exist?  Yet a certain Bush look proves to you that he knew about 9/11?  If he knew about it, there must be a lot of people on his team that knew.  Why do you believe they can keep a secret, but others can’t?

I used to think 9/11 conspiracists were idiots that just wanted to bring down Bush.  I thought they were psychologically deranged individuals.  Then the stuff I saw being done by Bush and Obama on this economic collapse was such an obvious raping of the people with the media playing us as total fools (because they’re also fools willing to listen to official govt versions of the story instead of doing hard investigation) that I had to consider that my old worldview was wrong.  I have since learned about the conspiracy behind the Fed Reserve and other reserve banks.  Massive massive conspiracy and look at how many years/decades the conspiracy has been kept quiet…a few people knew, but the masses still don’t know.  And this led me to checking out 9/11 too.  Have you ever taken the time to at least consider the evidence?  There’s an MIT engineer that gives a scientifically-based presentation similar to the crash course.  I don’t 100% accept the conspiracy option yet, but I don’t 100% believe the simple media version either.  The evidence leans more than 50/50 toward something else. But no investigation is allowed.  Evidence was destroyed.  People on the other side are immediately written off as nutjobs…ad hominem attack is an effective way of distracting people from the real issue.  

Mike, you list the impact, the explosions, the fuel burning as proof that the version of 9/11 we saw on TV is all that occurred. Hmm. Not the type of analysis the CM site is known for.  I could list many more than 3 things in a sentence that suggest a conspiracy.  But to quickly consider the things you list: 1) other buildings have been impacted by aircraft without falling, and building 7 wasn’t impacted at all…fell just like the towers, 2) the explosions people reported on the ground floors and mid-level floors are actually indications of planned demolition not evidence supporting the popular version, 3) airplane fuel burns at low temperature that engineers say is too low to melt steel.

Not trying to start a fight.  Just hoping CM members make decisions based on solid evidence.  

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Strabes,

I usually find your posts quite interesting and informative. Certainly no one of any intelligence denies that conspiracies do exist in the world – always have, always will. The plot to kill Caesar was a conspiracy; the many plots to kill Hitler were conspiracies.

 

And this led me to checking out 9/11 too.  Have you ever taken the time
to at least consider the evidence?  There’s an MIT engineer that gives
a scientifically-based presentation similar to the crash course.

However, re 911 explosions, please explain how you can get around my simple reply to CB in post # 21. Enquiring minds want to know!

  • Sat, Feb 28, 2009 - 06:28am

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[quote=Sam]If the 3 buildings in question were intentionally brought down via controlled demolition, when were they wired for destruction? When they were originally built so all the explosives were hidden inside? Of course not. So how did they wire such huge buildings with sufficient explosives to bring them down and NOBODY NOTICED?[/quote]

Perhaps the same way the CIA, KGB, Mossad, and every black ops group has always infiltrated buildings and/or groups over time to do things like wire for eavesdropping, plant spies, etc.  

Again, I’m not saying I 100% believe this happened, but your question surprises me because it would be very easy to do this given the amount of traffic, logistics, shipping coming in and out of the WTC and its underground mall.  It would only take a couple plants in the WTC security team to look the other way…the same way bureaucrats above and inside the FBI looked the other way concerning reports of arab guys in flight schools who wanted to learn how to fly but not takeoff.  

  • Sat, Feb 28, 2009 - 06:33am

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It never ceases to amaze me the number of people who have no idea about the 3rd building to collapse on 9/11, Building 7. I have spoken to a many individuals about the events of 9/11 and have come to the conclusion that a majority of them are only interested in their daily dose of American Idol, Monster Trucks and the NFL. I have all but given up on trying to awaken people to the events of 9/11 after receiving so many "eye rolls" and "your crazy if you think our government would do that to its own citizenry". How can anyone watch the video of that building go down and not realize that:

1) fires burning for a few hours on a couple floors couldn’t cause a catastrophic failure such as that

2) in order for it to fall straight down ALL of the lower supporting columns have to fail within 1/10th of a second.

3) How could it miss the Verizon building and the US Post office building 75 feet away on either side? That 547 foot structure went STRAIGHT DOWN!

I worked as a structural steel designer for several years at one point, albeit not an engineer, but come on folks that building had to be brought down by controlled demolition.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3898962504721899003&ei=NsKoSaSSJaL8qAOUrIGmDA&q=building+7&hl=en

98% of the people of the US are unaware of anything outside of their little box and even if you try to unplug them from the matrix they will ignore the obvious. I have found the same difficulty finding any awareness with subjects such as peak oil and the ideals expressed on this website. I now seek out like minded individuals and am more focused on trying to make sure me and my family can get out of the way when TSHTF. I hope this doesn’t come across the wrong way but I think the following is actually an accurate reflection of the general public:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=are+americans+stupid&hl=en&emb=0#

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Worker Bee,

Re 911 and controlled demolition. Please see my post #21 in answer to CB.

Re "98% of the people of the US are unaware …" – if you ever watched the Tonight Show w/Jay Leno, you’ve probably seen his segment called "Jay Walking" in which he asks some obvious questions as done in the video link you referenced above.

Needless to say, the only ones we get to see are the complete idiots who make us all laugh and feel superior. If 98% of the people he asked got the questions right – do you think he would show them? Of course not – that wouldn’t make for good TV. So, naturally we get to see the 2% who are idiots.

  • Sat, Feb 28, 2009 - 06:39am

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[quote=Sam]If the 3 buildings in question were intentionally brought down via controlled demolition, when were they wired for destruction? When they were originally built so all the explosives were hidden inside? Of course not. So how did they wire such huge buildings with sufficient explosives to bring them down and NOBODY NOTICED?[/quote]

Perhaps the same way the CIA, KGB, Mossad, and every black ops group has always infiltrated buildings and/or groups over time to do things like wire for eavesdropping, plant spies, etc.  

Again, I’m not saying I 100% believe this happened, but your question surprises me because it would be very easy to do this given the amount of traffic, logistics, shipping coming in and out of the WTC and its underground mall.  It would only take a couple plants in the WTC security team to look the other way…the same way bureaucrats above and inside the FBI looked the other way concerning reports of arab guys in flight schools who wanted to learn how to fly but not takeoff.  

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Aw c’mon, Strabes – you’re smarter than that. If you’ve ever seen the thousands of TV shots of buildings wired for demolition you know that there are huge amounts of explosives involved and thousands of feet of wire snaking every which way.

Do you honestly believe that three huge buildings could be surreptitiously wired up by black ops groups and not a single person would notice that things looked a little strange? If I remember correctly, the MSM at the time reported approximately 50,000 people worked in the WTC towers. And please don’t tell me that all the explosives were cleverly hidden – you’d really be pushing the envelope with that one.

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Hey Sam,

Go to google video and search for Scott Forbes.  He worked in the Twin Towers and has some interesting stories concerning activities in the months prior to 9/11. 

The 9/11 Commission Report is a joke.  They were set up to fail.  It took over 400+ days to even start an investigation.  Why did it take so long?  The investigation into Pearl Harbor took less than 10 days as well as the Kennedy assassination.  Besides the Wikipedia entry you’ve linked in a prior post what other info have you read concerning the events surrounding 9/11?  I never even suspected anything was amiss concerning the "official story" until 2005 when I started to read some of the claims from the 9/11 truth movement.  Since then I have spent hundreds of hours reading on the subject.  There is more to the event than 19 hijackers with box cutters.

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Sam, I admit it’s not something that sounds very believable.  But neither is it very believable that a multi-year operation to infiltrate the US and pulloff the 9/11 attacks without a hitch could happen without anybody noticing either, and that a couple FBI agents who did notice were totally ignored and threatened with their jobs.  Yet it happened.  

Having worked in a Wall St highrise with 20,000 people, I can tell you that only a handful have access to the infrastructure of the building.  The standard employees are routed through the normal flow of traffic, straight to the main elevators, straight to their corporate floors.  And they’re all busy in their mind-numbed daily routine worried about how to trade the market that day…they aren’t paying attention to the building.  Almost nobody sees the inner facility…certainly not the core vertical columns. 

I feel like saying "aw c’mon everybody – you’re smarter than that" when it comes to building 7.  How do you explain it?  Being near other buildings that fall doesn’t bring down a skyscraper, and certainly not in such an efficient manner.

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