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  • Sat, Jul 04, 2009 - 08:04pm

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    The Alternative Healthcare Thread

 

Hi, Folks;

As we go forward into an uncertain future, one of the concerns on my mind is the accessibility of healthcare.  Many of you know that I have a strong preference for avoiding mainstream medical care, whenever possible, largely because I feel the medical model is flawed, and safeguards, in the U.S., are corrupted. 

First, let me say that I don’t want this thread to be about whether alternative or mainstream healthcare is superior or preferable.  But I do want to create a forum where folks can share information about remedies they have used with success, links to websites with useful products or information, and other useful references. 

To set the stage, first I’d like to make a blanket disclaimer for anyone who posts here  (Sorry . . . the program doesn’t allow me to use the customary small font):  Unless otherwise stated, it will be assumed that you are not a healthcare professional, and any information posted cannot be construed as medical advice.  The burden to verify any claims and to check the literature for side effects and contraindications is on the reader, not the poster, regardless of the poster’s qualifications.  Neither this website, nor any specific poster shall be liable for the consequences of using information from this thread.  All of that having been said, it would be useful for posters to state their healthcare background, if any, so that any information posted can be viewed in context.

OK . . . That’s over . . . .

So, although I recognize that every thread has a life of it’s own, I’d like to see this thread focus on specific information, and perhaps essays describing unique alternative healthcare disciplines.  Information that is primarily within the realm of mainstream medicine is also fair game, if the therapy or treatment can be done with easily obtained materials or over-the-counter-drugs.  Complex mainstream treatments that require professional management or prescription drugs should probably be handled between each individual and his physician(s), or through the back lines, for legal reasons. and, because part of my motive in starting this thread is to build an arsenal of information about healthcare treatments that can be used even if society, as we know it, is disrupted.  Information about alternative treatments that are usually performed by a professional, but that do not require a complex healthcare setting for administration, would also be welcome.  (Acupuncture springs to mind.)

So, I’m going to kick this off with a question for our members, as I am a bit laid up, and in need of advice, in the next post.

 

 

  • Sat, Jul 04, 2009 - 08:28pm

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    Alternative Antiinflammatory, Herbal or Other Therapy

 

Hi, all;

Well, here’s the other shoe  . . .  Who knows what causes these things, but, without any prior warning, I woke up with lower back pain yesterday morning, and it’s gotten nothing but worse.  First ice, then heat, have given me temporary relief, but have not stayed the progression.  I have some experience with back troubles (a tad of instability at S5/L1), and know the usual postural precautions, but spasm and inflammation are my closest companions at the moment.  As I type, I am standing with my laptop on a makeshift stand, as sitting seems to exacerbate the instability. 

I was about to head to my library and study up on herbal antiinflammatories, and realized that I might try to throw this question out there for any of our resident herbalists, or just regular folks who have been using home remedies.  Any information, whether herbal or other therapeutic strategies, would be most appreciated.  My garden is in full swing, and I can’t be on my can when I should be at my canner . .  .

  • Sun, Jul 05, 2009 - 12:22pm

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    Re: Alternative Antiinflammatory, Herbal or Other Therapy

 Well I am anxious to hear what advise you get .    We danced way to long last night and  am toooo old to keep up with the younger ones .  It  always uses muscles I  do not use regularly !!!  I have a real catch in my getalong  this morning . Buggers it stinks getting old …. not wiser that is for sure .

 

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    Re: Alternative Antiinflammatory, Herbal or Other Therapy

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 Well I am anxious to hear what advise you get .    We danced way to long last night and  am toooo old to keep up with the younger ones .  It  always uses muscles I  do not use regularly !!!  I have a real catch in my getalong  this morning . Buggers it stinks getting old …. not wiser that is for sure .

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I am not old . . . doggonit!    Just crippled, today . . . . I’ll go back to being old tomorrow . . . .

  • Sun, Jul 05, 2009 - 02:31pm

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    Re: The Alternative Healthcare Thread

 Hey C1.   Gerson Therapy will kill cancer and Tumeric will help with back pain.  about 5 to 6 grams a day.  

 

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    Back Pain

FWIW (and admittedly I’m a biased witness here), learning the concepts taught in Pilates — and making it a regular part of your fitness regimen — will (in the absence of a serious structural issue [herniated/ruptured disc et al.] and sometimes even in spite of such) alleviate or entirely cure one of low back pain.  Assuming you find a competent instructor and are diligent in your practice, Pilates will add decades of pain-free daily function to your body.  In our practice, we’ve had instances of near-miraculous recovery amongst clients w/back issues.  YMMV.  

Viva — Sager

  • Sun, Jul 05, 2009 - 04:25pm

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    Low Back Pain

 Hi C1oudfire,

While your description of your ailment was all to brief for an accurate assessment, I would like to suggest that the most likely cause (by statistical average) of your low back pain is trigger points in the Quadratus Lumborum muscle that is found deep in the low back region. For more information about trigger points, please visit my wife’s website http://www.painwhisperer.com. I suggest that you start here, and then use our Pain Mapper to identify and learn more about the specific trigger points that may be involved with your condition. Also, I would suggest that you avoid apply ice, as this aggravates trigger points.

Hope this helps.

(Edit: I’m not trying to sell you anything, just providing some info)

  • Sun, Jul 05, 2009 - 04:40pm

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    Re: Back Pain

Sager,

I agree with you by and large but while Pilates is an excellent fitness and treatment modality, with all due respect, your statements may be a bit overly optimistic.  Been there, done it, have taught courses on the subject matter (at the undergraduate, graduate, and post graduate levels), written articles and chapters in textbooks, etc.  Qi gong, tai chi, hatha yoga, Trager Approach, Alexander Method, Feldenkraise Method, etc., etc., could also be effective but are all generalized, not specific and prescriptive, approaches.  All are good, none are a cure-all.  All have their strengths and weaknesses.  I’ve seen many, many successes and some failures with all of these and other approaches and combinations thereof.

A primary problem with this subject area and that back pain is lumped into a general category by far too many health professionals including physicians.  In fact, the sources of back pain are so varied and multitudinous that to advocate any one intervention for back pain without more precisely knowing its source (be that intervention surgery, injections, or conservative treatment including movement or manual therapy, medication, nutrition, psychology, magnets, chicken entrails, or what have you) is a disservice to the public (although the lay public thinks of it in the same way, unfortunately).  That’s why a thorough differential diagnosis by someone who fully understands the biochemical, biomechanical, neurophysiological, and psychoemotional components of spinal pain is important before making any blanket recommendations.

    

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    Re: Alternative Antiinflammatory, Herbal or Other Therapy

C1oudire,

See my comment to Sager.  Sight unseen, unless the person is Edgar Cayce, no one will no for certain what type of intervention would be best for your back pain.  However, based on the information that you provided, if I had to make a guess, I would guess your low back pain is discogenic in origin, brought on by sustained and/or repeated flexion with gardening, and this is the most accessible available source that, IMHO, would provide you with some of the information necessary to self treat your problem.   

http://www.amazon.com/Treat-Your-Back-Robin-McKenzie/dp/0959774661

 

 

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    Re: The Alternative Healthcare Thread

[quote=JK121]

 Hey C1.   Gerson Therapy will kill cancer and Tumeric will help with back pain.  about 5 to 6 grams a day.  

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Hi, JK;

Thanks for the reminder about turmeric.  I’d forgotten about it’s role as an antiinflammatory.  I’ve got a mason jar full of the stuff, but no capsules on hand.  Any suggestions of how I can take it without capsules?  Also, would you recommend divided doses, or a single daily dose? 

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