Sweden’s Anders Tegnell

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  • Mon, Aug 10, 2020 - 12:29am

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    Sweden’s Anders Tegnell

As there’s again been mention of Sweden in the context of the pandemic, it might be of value to review the statements of their controversial epidemiologist Anders Tegnell. These are taken from WikiQuote.

2020

January

‘In order for there to be a large outbreak, the virus has to be good at spreading from person to person. That doesn’t seem to be the case here.’

Source: Public Health Agency (January 16, before China confirmed human-to-human transmission)

‘It doesn’t look very dangerous compared to some other things we’ve seen in recent years. If they take comprehensive measures in China, we won’t see it much of it in the rest of the world.’

Source: SVT (January 24, the day after Wuhan was put under lockdown)

February

‘Having a voluntary measure leads to much greater compliance. Then it has greater effect and it is safer. Experience shows that coercive measures do not bring compliance.’

Source: Aftonbladet (February 2, regarding evacuated Swedes being placed in voluntary quarantine)

‘The risk that the infection will spread in Sweden from this group [evacuated Swedes] is completely nonexistent.’

Source: Aftonbladet (February 2, regarding the evacuated Swedes from Wuhan)

‘When it comes to this type of travel [sport holidays] there is absolutely no need to worry about the coronavirus. In the Alps and southern Europe, for example, there is no spread at all.’

Source: The Courier (February 8)

‘I do not believe at all in a large spread in Sweden.’

Source: Aftonbladet (February 26)

March

‘What the Public Health Agency has chosen is to transfer how many have been confirmed infected in Wuhan compared to the entire population in the region to Swedish conditions. But we do not know how it ends in Wuhan. But there is much to suggest that it will not be an influenza pandemic.’

Source: Dagens Nyheter (March 3, regarding Sweden’s different assessment of the worst case scenario compared to neighbouring countries)

‘There’s a hate and bullying campaign on social media against me right now that I think is very unpleasant.’

Source: Aftonbladet (March 5)

‘I thought they would stop it in China, but my assessment did not turn out to be correct. But I do not think it will be a ‘classic’ pandemic with lots of patients around the world at the same time – it’ll ‘jump’ from hot spot to hot spot such as happened in Wuhan and northern Italy.’

Source: Svenska Dagbladet (March 8)

‘We have our strategy and it has worked well. People have understood it, which means we have prevented rapid spread of infection. That people should stay at home on unclear grounds, when they do not show symptoms, is an untested strategy. There is nothing to indicate that works, and no other country does it. That method is too difficult to implement.’

Source: Västerviks-Tidningen (March 8)

‘I think I’m invulnerable, like so many of us.’

Source: Dagens Nyheter (March 11)

‘The fact that we get more cases does not mean that our routines are wrong. On the contrary.’

Source: Dagens Nyheter (March 11)

‘People were much less worried [during the 2009 pandemic] although that time it was actually much more dangerous.’

Source: Dagens Nyheter (March 11)

‘There is reason to believe that we will peak now, that we have already peaked.’

Source: Dagens Nyheter (March 11, regarding import cases of covid-19)

‘There is an aspect in this that is about equality and a bit of such aspects as well. There are certain groups in society that can do this way, but not all, and how are we going to get it so that it will be in a good way so that we continue to have equality in society and that everyone has the same chance to stay healthy, I think you should think through the consequences of that type of decision, I think quite broadly before making them, not least if you are an authority or a large company.’

Source: Expressen (March 11, commenting on how some companies, such as Spotify, told their employees to work from home)

‘Sweden currently does not have a large number of cases of infection with the new coronavirus.’

Source: Dagens Nyheter (March 15)

‘It is important to have a policy that can be sustainable and maintained for a longer period, so stay at home if you are ill, that’s our message. It is more accessible and sustainable than to tell everyone to stay at home all the time. That can’t work in the long run. In the end people will go out anyway.’

Source: Norrländska Socialdemokraten (March 15 as a comment on neighbouring countries closing down to reduce the spread of infection)

‘In Sweden, we have a fairly stable situation. We see a certain increase in cases with people who are over 70 years old.’

Source: Swedish Radio (March 25)

‘You were very unprepared [in Italy], and it took a long time before you discovered what was happening. Here we have a completely different situation – we are very well prepared.’

Source: SVT (March 25)

‘In Sweden, we certainly have the most spread in the big cities, but we see spread in basically all parts of the country. If you make an overall assessment of the reasonableness and the possibility of shutting down the big cities, the effect would be very doubtful when we already have infection everywhere.’

Source: Gothenburg Post (March 26)

‘We are convinced that this is the right path.’

Source: SVT (March 26)

‘With more extensive testing, we could above all protect the elderly even better than today.’

Source: Omni (March 30)

April

‘[Forecasts for coming fatalities] are not what we think is most important. The most important thing is that our healthcare system gets figures on how many people need to be cared for in intensive care or the like. We have modeled this all the time. The number of deaths depends on so many different things, so all such measurements become very, very difficult, both to do and to interpret.’

Source: TT / Omni (April 6)

‘It’s very mysterious that the rest of China never really saw any disease to speak of, especially like this afterwards when we see what it looks like in many other countries.’

Source: Omni (April 8)

‘The spread in society takes place without us seeing it at all. It can be up to nine out of ten who may not have as many visible symptoms.’

Source: Swedish Radio (April 8)

‘R0 is not a good kind of number. It is better to look at the trends. It gives you a better picture of where you’re going.’

Source: Omni (April 10)

‘The spread in elderly care has stabilised, it’s no longer increasing.’

Source: TT / Omni (April 19)

‘Everything we have done has actually had an effect. The fact that it has actually had an effect means that we now have a manageable situation in Sweden.’

Source: SVT Play (April 28)

‘[The pandemic] has been quite difficult to predict sometimes, and sometimes very predictable.’

Source: SVT Play (April 28)

‘I believe in Sweden, because we have put a lot of responsibility on individuals, on the population and such, I think many times I hear and read in my email that there is a very great cohesion in Sweden. There is also a pretty great pride in that it still works as well as it does in Sweden. I actually still have a healthcare system that still works well, they have it, it’s very tiring, no one can deny, but it works, it delivers healthcare in a completely different way than in other countries.’

Source: SVT (April 28)

‘We are constantly amazed at this disease.’

Source: SVT (April 28)

May

‘We have been at an R0 below 1.0 for several weeks. It is just a bit below, so there’s no big difference, but we’re on a kind of plateau. But it doesn’t go up, and with this disease you can see that as a positive sign.’

Source: SVT (May 1)

‘I am not at all convinced [that our strategy is right].’

Source: Business Insider

‘We expected more people to get sick, but the death toll came as a surprise.’

Source: Omni (May 5)

‘We live in an absurd world in many ways. Both for me personally and for the world as a whole.’

Source: Omni (May 6)

‘The knowledge base [for using face masks] is extremely weak.’

Source: SVT (May 7)

‘Our famous R0 is just below 1.’

Source: Omni (May 15)

‘We do not see clusters in any of the countries that are widespread anymore.’

Source: Omni (May 19)

‘An immunity that completely stops the infection, there is no reason to believe that will happen. It will never be the case that this infection disappears, that type of herd immunity can really only be achieved if you combine it with a vaccine.’

Source: Expressen (May 20)

‘When we enter summer, it may be that we have so many immune in Sweden that it may be safer for Swedes to come [to Denmark and Norway] than anyone else.’

Source: Omni (May 21)

‘What exactly we could have done that had changed so much? When I ask that question, I do not get many answers anymore.’

Source: Omni (May 22, regarding criticism of the spread of infection in nursing homes)

June

‘Now we still believe that summer can be a continued calm period.’

Source: Omni (June 1)

‘During the autumn, it will be very clear which countries have succeeded well and which have succeeded less well.’

Source: Dagens Nyheter (June 1)

‘There has been no major change in how much social distancing we have.’

Source: Dagens Nyheter (June 1)

‘Should we encounter the same disease, with exactly what we know about it today, I think we would end up doing between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world did.’

Source: Swedish Radio (June 3)

‘We do not see the continued decline in the curves we were hoping for.’

Source: Omni (June 3)

‘In Sweden, we have the strategy that if you are ill, you should stay at home, instead of going in public with a face mask.’

Source: Omni (June 6, as a comment on the WHO’s new recommendations that face masks should be used in tight spaces)

‘We are definitely not past any phase of cluster infection, I do not think we will be for a very long time. This disease has a huge tendency to spread rapidly in certain environments, in certain contexts, and we are definitely not immune in Sweden.’

Source: Expressen (June 18)

‘I think we have had a corona strategy that has worked very well in many respects.’

Source: Expressen (June 18)

  • Mon, Aug 10, 2020 - 12:54am

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    sweden = bad

Yes.  It’s clear.  Sweden = bad.  Bad Sweden.  They must be punished.  Especially that “controversial” fellow who had the stones to go against what everyone else was doing.

And yet…does anyone care about results these days?

  • Mon, Aug 10, 2020 - 03:23am

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    Drivel

nyhetersverige,

Are you being paid to post this drivel? From a public health perspective lockdowns have been a disaster. One of the rules of systems engineering is that you can optimise for one element (Covid-19) but at the cost of other elements (domestic abuse, obesity, delaying non-Covid related treatments – including operations, mental health, underdeveloped child immune systems, alcoholism, etc…)

The simple fact is that governments are operating outside of their competence and lack both the awareness and humility to recognise this.

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    Sweden’s Anders Tegnell

-One death per day July 26- August 9

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    Sweden’s Anders Tegnell

Those are MSM quotes. Presented without comment. Are you bent upstairs?

  • Mon, Aug 10, 2020 - 08:27pm

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    Sweden’s Anders Tegnell

And the 6000 who’ve perished? How about some graphs comparing Sweden to the rest of Scandinavia? Too embarrassing?

  • Tue, Aug 11, 2020 - 02:07am

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    Sweden’s Anders Tegnell

Nyhetssverige – you remember how THE ENTIRE WORLD was wrong and shouldn’t be trusted? You know back when the earth was flat!? They were wrong and should be punished and never trusted again because if you don’t know everything about something new (or say… novel!) before you have a chance to study it you’re incompetent!..

Please tone down the anti-establishment B.S. You’re wrong. Tegnell and Hallengren have also been wrong but at least they say “that was true then, now we know better”.

  • Tue, Aug 11, 2020 - 02:38am

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    Sweden’s Anders Tegnell

nyhetersverige,

So you limit the boundaries and then claim success. Brilliant.

  • Tue, Aug 11, 2020 - 04:01am

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    MSM even approves now

And the 6000 who’ve perished? How about some graphs comparing Sweden to the rest of Scandinavia? Too embarrassing?

Mr Sverige can – apparently – only optimize an equation for a single variable.  He’s not competent to run anything with more than two moving parts.

Interestingly, even the MSM is starting to notice, and approves of what Sweden did.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/swedens-economy-after-not-having-lockdown-in-much-better-shape-than-rest-of-europe/ar-BB17EAPG

While I liked all your contributions, I think Luke hit it out of the park with this one:

Are you being paid to post this drivel? From a public health perspective lockdowns have been a disaster. One of the rules of systems engineering is that you can optimise for one element (Covid-19) but at the cost of other elements (domestic abuse, obesity, delaying non-Covid related treatments – including operations, mental health, underdeveloped child immune systems, alcoholism, etc…)

However Sweden arrived at the answer, even if they tripped over it in the dark, they appear to have attained victory.  I’ll take lucky any day over stupid.  And they had the right idea.  “Things are complicated; we can’t shut everything down.  It won’t work long term.”  Tactics might have been wrong in places, but the overall strategy was correct.  That’s the most important thing to get right.  And they did.

And they deserve full marks for being courageous in not following the whole herd over the cliff.  The GDP outcome is one of their markers for success.

For those who go on about selecting “economy” over “life” – it turns out, without an economy, nobody eats.  In fact, everyone dies.

Great Depressions kill huge numbers of people via poverty.  Anyone who has studied this subject knows this.

Sweden avoided this outcome.  Go Sweden!

  • Tue, Aug 11, 2020 - 06:59am

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    Sweden’s Anders Tegnell

Many others also wanted to think the same thing, to brush it off, in large part no doubt influenced by CCP/WHO lies, until it hit them hard, or they saw how other countries were being affected (Iran, Italy, Spain, …). But thanks to Tegnell we have extremely useful data on low-intervention policies… and it’s been successful to boot!

The only argument you can make against it is the relative mortality rate, if you value saving all lives or extending lifespans as much as possible, above any other consideration related to decreased quality of life… but you’d have to consider that people will die sooner when in poverty… so over the long term, how many years of life will be lost (since that’s the only relevant consideration in your view)?

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