Suppose Trump refuses to leave

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  • Wed, Sep 09, 2020 - 08:27am

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    TLWA1879

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    please stop

I wish you all would stop all the team red/team blue divisive bulls..t.  It just pisses me off when I come here with my morning coffee and read this.  The PP community is 50/50 split on red leaning/blue leaning, so why spew the talking points from your team that will never convince the other team.  Its not peaceful, its not productive, it doesn’t help me design my life to be as happy and healthy as possible under the current circumstances of the world.

Regarding the extremely divisive topics of politics and religion:  Please either just support freedom of choice and diversity or go somewhere else.  Debate other topics.

I’m not on the red team or the blue team.  I’m on the PP team.  My request is that this community, my community, be as supportive of one another as possible.  Not divisive.  The world is full of divisive.

  • Wed, Sep 09, 2020 - 08:35am

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Re: Armstrong’s take

Thats a pretty vividly frightening image and deep down, I can see the things he talks about happening.

I find such images useful because they help me to ask myself, “Where do I wanna be when that happens?”  and “What/who do I want to have around me when that happens?”.

I’ve been thinking a lot about the “anxiety” responses of some of the otherwise very good people around me and realizing that basic preparedness is even more important for the mental health benefits it will bring than the benefit of being prepared itself.  Honestly, muddling through without electricity for a bit won’t be as hard for me as dealing with the panic of the people around me and thats what motivates me to get on preparing at this point.

 

You try to bring something like that Armstrong article to people and they don’t want to hear it.  They want to argue about some particular detail or pick on the wording a bit and you realize this is because they literally cannot process what is happening around them.

 

And, of course, if you can see that in other people, how do you maintain any faith in the machinery of your own mind?  If I hear a member of my family refer to Biden as “Such a good and honest person” (this happened) I can be a little blown away by it but what part of the things I know to be true are likewise utter nonsense?   What will this nonsense cost me if I fail to correct it and how do I discover it before its too late?

 

So far, the best I can do is to adopt a strategy of utter humility backed by an awareness of what I stand to gain or lose if I’m right or wrong.  No certainty about the world at large.   No clinging to the narrative when I see something that doesn’t fit.  I so love Chris’ practical focus on events but my real God may be Nassim Taleb who taught me how to approach an unknowable world dominated by huge unexpected events.

 

His focus tends to be financial but ideas about risk, optionality and narrative have been hugely valuable to me in keeping my mind plastic.  It’s actually kind of fun when not terrifying to deal with the world in this way.

 

  • Wed, Sep 09, 2020 - 10:55am

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    peaceful, productive, and the upcoming coup

TLWA1879-

The PP community is 50/50 split on red leaning/blue leaning, so why spew the talking points from your team that will never convince the other team. Its not peaceful, its not productive, it doesn’t help me design my life to be as happy and healthy as possible under the current circumstances of the world.

I understand that peaceful and productive discussions are important to you.  But I think you are mistaken about what is really happening in this discussion.  For my part I’m not trying to convince anyone to vote a particular way.  In normal times, voting would matter, but right now, I’m not sure it does; my primary concern is not about who gets the most electoral votes, but rather, assessing the chances of a non-voluntary transfer of power occurring, and how that scenario would that play out.

I think this subject is a lot like peak oil.  With peak oil, we have a choice: we can ignore peak oil and pretend it won’t happen (business as usual, forevermore – very peaceful), or we can try to read the tea leaves and see how things are going to break.  And when.  And then figure out we might want to do to prepare for it.

Likewise, I assess that the prospect of a coup, and a possible follow-on civil war in response, is getting more likely as we get closer to November 3rd.  People – important people – are talking about “refusing to concede the election under any circumstances.”  That’s no longer an election, and if the military, or para-military forces are used to enforce this non-concession and they install their candidate into the Oval Office, that would be a non-voluntary transfer of power.

And everyone would be forced to pick sides.  The Army.  The local police.  The National guard.  The Secret Service.  Homeland security.  The FBI.  The CIA.  The NSA.  And individuals too.

Me, I’d like to have some sort of plan in place in case this goes down.  I wouldn’t want to be caught unprepared and surprised by events this earth-shaking.  Would you?

Lots of violence is happening right now, funded by…somebody.  The violence is not spontaneous, it is organized.  Fighters in black garb are bused from state to state, to execute their missions.  That’s just reality.  Who you vote for won’t change these facts on the ground.  Nor will it change the reaction by the (most likely enraged) other side if they believe the election was stolen – by force – for the first time in US history.

So let me agree with you again.  This is an unfortunate subject.  It is not peaceful at all.  Nor is it productive.  Civil wars are never productive.  The only thing worse than talking about such a disagreeable subject (in my opinion) would be to stick our head in the sand and pretend its not possible, and as a result, be (individually) surprised and unprepared for such an outcome, if it actually occurs.

I really want the vote to go well, and for the loser to concede once the votes are counted.  That’s the usual process – the peaceful transfer of power that has happened for 240 years.  I’m just not sure that will happen this time.

  • Wed, Sep 09, 2020 - 10:56am

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    Trump nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

President Donald Trump has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize by Christian Tybring-Gjedde, a member of the Norwegian parliament, according to a Fox News exclusive.

“For his merit, I think he has done more trying to create peace between nations than most other Peace Prize nominees,” Tybring-Gjedde, who is also chairman of the Norwegian delegation to the NATO Parliamentary Assembly, told Fox.

Pres. Trump Nominated For Nobel Peace Prize

  • Wed, Sep 09, 2020 - 11:21am

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    The individual subscriber has the power to avoid topics like this TLWA1879

TLWA, here are two tactics for avoiding these upsetting topics and posts:

1. Don’t click on any discussions like this one which have labels like “Suppose Trump refuses to leave.” That’s so easy a caveman can do it. This tactic also applies to material posted by Chris and Adam with upsetting sounding titles like “Suddenly fear of unrest is everywhere.”

2. Don’t read individual posts you find upsetting which are buried in discussions about topics you ARE interested in. This is a little more difficult because a disagreeable post can pop up anywhere and may elicit a slew of responses just like it. But as you start reading immediately stop and go on to the next comment.

PP.com used to have an “ignore” button which would allow you to list individual members whose comments you never want to see. I liked that feature.

Personally, I find the articles and discussions about civil unrest and politics interesting because most of them derive naturally from our main focus on the Economy, Environment and Energy. If there is no apparent connection to The Three E’s, I lose interest too.

  • Wed, Sep 09, 2020 - 12:51pm

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    Chuck in Belize

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    Reply To: Suppose Trump refuses to leave

If it’s something you don’t want to hear about or talk about, then
maybe it’s something for you to listen respectfully to, and then (in a civil manner)
talk about. After first thinking about it and remembering that the
people you’re talking to are basically very much like yourself but who see
things differently.

I never try to talk another person out of their strongly-held religious beliefs.
What possible good would that do? How would I feel if someone did that
to me?

But the imperative is civil, open, respectful discussion.
There is only one alternative to that, and it’s not a pleasant one.

  • Thu, Sep 10, 2020 - 04:02am

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    Chris Martenson

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    Doug – Last Warning

Wow, reading through the commentary here, it appears my post incited some excitement.  Somehow the conspiracists here have spun up scenarios in which the deep

Doug – you’ve been warned repeatedly about using that word.  This is your final warning.  Its next use by you at this site will be an immediate and permanent banning of your account and every other account you may make in the future.

As a reminder I am under no obligation to allow your utter disrespect for me to continue.

 

  • Thu, Sep 10, 2020 - 08:14am

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    Guns as the last line of defense; Bernie controllable?; The information war

I think that unless they can overturn the results in SCOTUS, the power differential that is the reason why they will fail is your guns (your 2nd amendment). Maybe not so much Antifa wimps and BLM thugs, but the SJW NPC population don’t know how to use and are afraid of guns and people actually appropriately using them to defend themselves and their property.

@davefairtex
My guess: the people – the Blue Deplorables – were all set to nominate Bernie Sanders, but the Bankster/Corporate/Eternal War alliance (i.e. the shadowy force lined up behind HRC) knew he would be as independent and uncontrollable as Trump (Sanders might actually end the cartels – remember his “Cheap Drugs from Canada” bill), and so they torpedoed his candidacy, and we are stuck with Basement Biden.

While I agree that “the people”, i.e. a grassroots movement, were behind Sanders (but it’s a tiny percentage as socialism is thankfully far less popular than the Berniebros would like), to say that Sanders would be “independent and uncontrollable” is completely wrong. He’s the biggest sellout in politics I’ve ever seen, he is weak in every possible sense, and has repeatedly shown that he will submit/concede to whoever bullies him (and not just the DNC):

And did you see who many of his grassroots supporters are?:

“The most recent leaks from Project Veritas contain disturbing footage of people working for the Bernie Sanders campaign advocating for Gulags, executions, riots, and more radical actions. Expectedly, the media has refused to cover this bombshell story because they know it would shock the American people into abandoning the radical left.”

@TLWA1879
I wish you all would stop all the team red/team blue divisive bulls..t. It just pisses me off when I come here with my morning coffee and read this. The PP community is 50/50 split on red leaning/blue leaning, so why spew the talking points from your team that will never convince the other team. Its not peaceful, its not productive, it doesn’t help me design my life to be as happy and healthy as possible under the current circumstances of the world.

I don’t think it’s a 50/50 split. People come to sites/forums like this one to talk about truths the MSM hide from us. It’s not at all about “the talking points from your team”, it’s about truth vs. lies, decency vs. crime, freedom vs. enslavement, freedom of speech vs. censorship, thinking for yourself vs. mind-control, etc. In this case, in these amazing and fascinating times we’re living, one side is not at all like the other. But you may not have noticed yet, how your freedom is being threatened by one side, which projects everything they do onto the other side, resulting in a completely programmed NPC army who believe Trump and the “heteropatriarchy” of “white supremacists” (white men) — rather than their mind-controllers feeding them an ever-increasingly-absurd narrative (witness the Russian collusion hoax and covering up of riots they instigated) — are the threat to their freedom.

Regarding the extremely divisive topics of politics and religion: Please either just support freedom of choice and diversity or go somewhere else. Debate other topics.

Is the MSM and Big Tech supporting “freedom of choice and diversity”? They are absolutely not, which is the root of the information war we are immersed in. It’s the #1 most relevant topic by far, surpassing the coronavirus by a long shot, as free speech is the primary pillar of Western civilization, and they’re openly colluding to steal an election and never ever allow for losing control again.

I’m not on the red team or the blue team. I’m on the PP team. My request is that this community, my community, be as supportive of one another as possible. Not divisive. The world is full of divisive.

How can you be supportive of people who are openly calling for you to be censored/canceled, supporting riots and looting in your neighborhood or city, and in the most extreme cases (see video above), calling for your internment in gulags or execution? Do you really not see the mind-control-based information war going on?

  • Thu, Sep 10, 2020 - 05:07pm

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    tbp

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    How the narrative is now a coup narrative

Excellent exposé of the Transition Integrity Project and the planned coup (must watch!!):

Touches on how the Event 201 simulation already predicted this “flooding the zone” (controlling all information sources, planning to censor any information at their discretion such as any reports of vote fraud and even President Trump, and using astroturfing automation). They’ve now run simulations / war gamed the coup. This is truly shocking stuff. :O

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