So, what are we going to do about the problem?

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 09:26pm   (Reply to #10)

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    Jonni

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    So, what are we going to do about the problem?

Nordicjack, your post has given us a lot to think about. Individual action can only make small, local changes, and online griping feels good but doesn’t change anything – but there aren’t a lot of organized groups that I would want to sign up for, either.

In a recent post, John Michael Greer mentioned that the country could peacefully split apart by holding a constitutional convention. There’s no way of knowing what would come of it, but maybe we should start talking about it, anyway.

It seems that most people I talk to or follow online, from all political persuasions, are at least considering the possibility of an American version of Brexit – but everyone is waiting for someone else to make it happen. If it did happen, there’s no guarantee that our new, smaller countries would be governed any better than the one we have now, but it might still be worth a try.

My concerns with the idea of a convention, though, is that I can’t see a lot of politicians of any party that I would trust to actually put together a workable plan. Do we have anyone of the caliber of some of our Founding Fathers who could write a new constitution, or several, that would keep us going for a few hundred more years?

In the meantime, I’m doing the same as most of us – increasing my resilience, trying to do what I can to create a small sanctuary for other family members and friends who may someday need it, and trying to stay calm.

  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 01:13am

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    So, what are we going to do about the problem?

Hi Nordicjack,

Good you came forward, I bet ye that most us all go through these phases of despair, even the really early adapters. Everyone with a heart must be overwhelmed sometimes. But as Mike indicates, we didn’t ask for it, just as our parents and their parents, but they have begotten us, you, Chris, Robert Malone, etc. Good can come from bad times.  Imo we have to ctry to rise to this occasion. We just carry what we can carry, nothing more. Some shoulders are just broader than others. And to paraphrase bethafoot in a Trumpian style: “you and your loved ones and your own garden first” and when there is something left, maybe a few others.

  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 01:33am   (Reply to #12)

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    Sometimes I look at this, just to set me straight

Apart from meditation, and talks with a certain spiritual guide, sometimes, once a year, Iwatch this:





  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 03:57am

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    So, what are we going to do about the problem?

I used to believe that it was only a matter of time until large numbers of people became aware of and stood up to what seems to be going on. Now I’m not so sure.

I am constantly amazed at how accepting of things people in general are.  Anything that is an advancement in technology seems to mesmerise and make people lose their ability to think rationally.

Unfortunately I think that no matter what happens the government and big tech can combine forces to distract the majority of people and it doesn’t matter how noble or true the cause is, kinda like this moment from the Simpsons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaOgZwk9rN8

I do hope I’m wrong though.

  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 06:44am

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    VTGothic

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    The cracks are present, and growing. We are winning.

An interesting dynamic has opened up in my small, rural Vermont church. Over the pandemic we’ve devoted 2 Sunday services to talking through together the Covid situation and how we, together, should respond.

The first conversation, in March of 2020, resulted in an agreement to hold services remotely because of the great fear of some members. Others had no fear, but agreed to honor the worries of the fearful and cautious. It was a consensus decision, not a vote, and it was 100%.

We returned to in-person services this June, although some felt we should have returned several months earlier. We continued broadcasting over zoom for the few who for one reason or another – not all Covid related – might not be able to make a service.

Two Sundays ago we had our second meeting on the issue. Several of those originally concerned asked for us to visit the idea of going fully remote again until Vermont’s high spike of cases and hospitalizations passes. (Vermont is the most vaccinated state, and has the highest rate of new infections.) This time, however, those not afraid simply refused to go along with it, citing the much better understanding we have of overall death rates, who’s at greatest risk, the role of natural immunity, and the fact that we have continued zoom access for those who wish to participate remotely. A strong majority agreed with the statement of one member who said, “we went along with it last time, and you had over a year of us all hiding, but I’m not doing it any longer. If you, vaccinated, are afraid of me unvaccinated, it’s not me who should stay home and isolate, it’s you. I’m going to continue to live my life. If you think you’re vulnerable, take the precautions you need to take.”

There was no consensus this time, just a clear overwhelming sentiment to not hide any longer; to not participate in the panic. Some of those declaring they wouldn’t hide were vaccinated, some were not. All who wanted to hide were vaccinated.

Over this past week, the difference has caused at least one public, heated confrontation by one of the frightened members and several not frightened members. He simply cannot understand how smart, compassionate people can disagree with him.

This is a significant division in our tiny church in a small village. It’s exacerbated by the broad local knowledge that a lifetime resident had become severely ill with Covid. He was unvaccinated, just 59, and he died two days ago, after almost 30 days in ICU, much of it spent on a ventilator. That’s the first death close to us all.

For the fearful, he was and is the poster child for why we should all live in fear, get vaxxed, and avoid each other as cases spike. For the non-fearful, his is an unfortunate case but not a pandemic, and he made his choices freely as everyone has the right to do.

As you can see, the divide is between social control of individual behaviors for the perceived common good versus the insistence on individual freedom of choice with personal responsibility for outcomes.

I see a growing determination to not go back into hiding, especially now that we know the parameters of Covid and the lies of government and health officials. This is why TPTB are pushing so hard for a fast grip on power; their plan is coming apart. We are winning. Winning simply by deciding to no longer participate in nonsense.

Here in rural Vermont, a great many people did not participate in mask wearing the first time. I don’t see any indication more will participate the second time. Rather, whereas the first time people honored the State requirement for stores to enforce masking inside, I think many more store owners and customers will simply ignore any reinstatement of that order.

I liken it to when Connecticut passed a law for residents to register their guns after a school shooting (I think Sandy Hook). Only about 5% of the estimated number of unregistered guns were subsequently registered or surrendered. Everyone else simply ignored the law and it quietly died.

I have great faith in the American people’s ability to suss things out, weigh choices, and exercise their free will. Most people don’t have the interest or time to engage in activism. They just make up their minds what they will and won’t do, and follow through. That’s why government is leaning on employers. But you see how many people are choosing unemployment. The economic pain will also affect government policy; expect more States to push back.

  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 09:53am

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    So, what are we going to do about the problem?

I’ve been trying to plant very small seeds of doubt. eg. mentioning that I’ve stopped watching the news because I realized that I wasn’t getting any actionable information. That I’ve been finding a lot of really good sources that do provide actionable and much more detailed information with clear explanations.

I noticed a very small change in a person recently after saying that and it seemed to me they were actively considering this instead of dismissing it without a thought. In the past with this person I’ve tried to explain various inconsistencies and would immediately get shut down – it was clear they simply could not be reached through certain topics.

When I talked about the media I wasn’t thinking about how they were being mislead or what lies they may be believing. I didn’t intend to change their mind about anything – it was a simple statement and said without any hint of persuasion. It wasn’t addressed to that part of their mind that I thought needed changing. I’m pretty sure the idea got through to them and I believe it was because they sensed there was no intent to challenge one of their deeply held beliefs.

One thing we can all do is say what we believe to be true at every opportunity. Don’t give in to fear or intimidation. Don’t judge or shame. Don’t intend to change their minds. Just speak the truth simply and clearly and stick to subjects that will get people actively thinking without challenging some deeply rooted (and heavily defended) beliefs. I don’t think we can do anything about such beliefs directly – I suspect each person must first want to challenge them from within.

If we’re all able to find ways to communicate it’s the cumulative effect that can make a real difference. For every person that comes to their senses, how many people are they going to be able to reach when they start thinking clearly as well? Think exponential.

This madness runs entirely on fear and until we can get enough people to come to their senses it’s going to continue to devolve. Everything and anything that each of us can do to get people thinking, questioning and finding courage and truth matters. No matter how small a gesture or word even a small change today can become a much bigger change over time. Ideas spread.

This is literally a battle for our minds and it can only be won through pure intent – brute force is not going to help here.

  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 10:06am

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    So, what are we going to do about the problem?

Prepare for war. The resolve of this tyranny will bow to nothing less.

It’s their terms, not ours. But there is no reasoning with tyrants.

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