So, what are we going to do about the problem?

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 02:23pm

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    nordicjack

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    So, what are we going to do about the problem?

I go from forum to forum, from post-to-post, and I am exhausted of looking at these crimes around the world. ( mostly AU, US, UK)  People dying from the vaccine, but no one does anything; people dying from bad standard of care, no one does anything; people being locked down when no state of emergency exists, no one does anything;  people being fired, no one does anything.   Just a bunch of people echoing the injustices , and a bunch of whistle blowing.   We ,the people, see, but what does it take to take action?  I don’t mean a protest.  Protests have clearly not been useful.  They are a legal means to nothing.    If I protest the the vaccines, it changes nothing.  Protesting by definition is objecting to.   You cannot or are not allowed to object to this vaccine, you will be censored or fired.   There is no protest allowed.

We know that the media is all controlled.  We know all the big pharma science regarding the vaccines has conflict of financial interest.   But how is it that every doctor and hospital administrator in the country can be in on the crimes. There is no way they cannot have knowledge of better therapeutics,( they would have to be incompetent and blind)   And I am not speaking about every single doctor.  I speaking about the doctors that run the hospitals and the administrators.  They all have to know they are committing crimes , murdering people, and covering vaccination injuries and lying about who is dying. There is evidence they all have been paid off, but also tons of openly admitted funds being funneled to the hospitals for covid patients. AND deaths.  But to think there is not one single hospital in the US that can be doing it right. or at least trying, is unfathomable.

Truthers are now becoming terrorists in the eyes authority.  And the eyes of the public as well.   No matter the science , data, facts, out-comes , they are all effectively useless.  They can turn everything that is real into misinformation.   They manipulated the pcr tests and how many were sick , they again massage the data to show vaccinated are unvaccinated if they die.  They use drugs that clearly cause harm , remdesivir, sedation.  They ventilate when they know it causes more death due to secondary infection, and sedation.  None of this can happen without the complicity of the medical profession.  AND the public.  I understand that average person has an IQ of 100, and can be manipulated.  ( at least half the people )  But the average doctor ( though clearly not genius ) has to have an IQ of about 120 -125.   Doctors should be able to think for themselves.  Additionally they have taken oaths to do what is best for their patient and to do no harm.  I am uncertain how a single doctor can be working within this scope, mind within legal criminality. ( doctors are more scared of threats from the hospital about losing their hospital rights, than scared of being sued by the patient , employers are more scared of fake fines from the govt , than being sued by their employees – just guess which ones are going to be more costly to the employers and drs? )

I hear stories pouring in each day from whistle blowers( nurses, respiratory therapists, a very small handful of doctors. ) But somehow nothing. absolutely nothing changes.  FLCCC filing suits, appearing before senate, but nothing changes.  what is worse, is you cannot even discuss or debate the science.  The media wont entertain this idea.   It should be criminal.  The FDA won’t entertain it.  No one will stop long enough to question anything or be questioned by anyone.   But rather, there is a huge campaign to criminalize and fire, silence and persecute and subject these truthers to violent hate and even arrest.

Though the amount of these truthers is rather large maybe 70 million americans,  its less than 25%.    When they get this down to about 20%. ( and are working hard to do it ) , we will be officially criminalized, locked up as a danger to society , whether terrorists, extremists, conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers, and exterminated.   We do not have to look far back in history to see the out-come here.

As, we find among ourselves ( truthers ) , more and more evidence , we continue to pat each other on the back in some sort of moral or other victory.  But in the end, it changes nothing.  No one in the MSM is going to talk about that 15 year old boy that died from the vaccine, and that maybe we need to rethink the vaccines.  No one is the MSM or federal governing medical agencies will want to hear about cheap therapeutics.   It wont ever happen.  And even worse, there is no hospital that is going to really do what is best for your if you have COVID; they will do what is best for their finances.  Out-come determined by incentive.

The fake president has made it clear with his hate speech and false assertions,  that the unvaccinated are diseased, dangerous, irresponsible, scum, that are killing them, by consuming resources which they do not deserve, that need to be dealt with at all costs.

To me, this is clear hate speech.  It is clearly criminal.  It is clearly discriminatory.  But no one will arrest him , instead they arrest the father of school trans bathroom rape victim, because he argued with authorities who denied his daughter as a victim, just for speaking out.  Parents who protest legally CRT or mask mandates are labeled by the FBI as terrorists , extremists or a danger to society.  Basically, it is shut up and comply now in the US.  There is no science, no debates,  no morals.   Right is wrong, and wrong is right.  There are ten federal judge rulings that are corrupt and absurd for each sensible ruling that occurs.  The DOJ and supreme court are completely unlawful now.  There is nowhere to find justice any longer , certainly at the federal level.

Where does this leave us? picking our proverbial asses?   I think the solution is in law suits, and not class action ones,  I think in individual ones.  Make them defend each and every one.   Local and state law suits.  Its time to take all these protesters and put their money where their mouths are.   They need to walk down to the court house and file suit after suit after suit.  From everything , from mal practice, to wilful intent to harm, to depraved disregard to welfare and safety of the public, defamation, and hate speech and violation of the first amendment.   It is time for all us to levy mass suits against, the media, social, media, big tech, big pharma, the hospitals , doctors, insurance companies, employers, and even ESPECIALLY, JOE BIDEN.   After the crap he spewed the other night, I am ready to file suit for defamation and hate immediately.   Let joe defend about 30 million of those cases.

Can add fauci to that list to sue ( I am sure we can find about 10 things easily to sue him for )  Bill Gates too, who loves to practice medicine without a license.  as does slow joe.

  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 03:14pm

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    brushhog

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    Reply To: So, what are we going to do about the problem?

Well put. Collectively I dont see anything happening yet…where’s the organization, where are the powerful factions putting their weight on our side, where are the leaders at the top and why arent they getting something started?

I really dont know but I believe in the natural law of balance, yin/yang, whatever you want to call it and at some point there will be some organized resistance.

Until then, I take solace in several things…THUS FAR, its all remained optional. I know there are employment mandates but Im a libertarian at heart so my feeling is that if an employer doesnt want me working there, for any reason, they should have no obligation to keep me. If you insist that I have to be vaccinated to stay employed with you, then I have the right to leave and seek employment elsewhere. All interactions between peoples should be voluntary.

Likewise, I could demand a raise or a new position as a condition of my employment, if they refuse I have the right to leave.

If they cross that line and try to force people, I think things will get kicked off. There are states that have made their opposition to forced mandates clear and they would become sanctuary states/cities/counties. I think TPTB know this and they will likely stop short of that line.

If they cross it? Fine. If they want to split society in half and people are dumb enough to fall for it, then my guess is that the USA will likely split up….in which case alot of opportunities might open up that we havent seen in over 100 years in this country. Might be a good thing in some ways.

  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 03:43pm

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    So, what are we going to do about the problem?

Thanks for the feedback.  I am hoping that the texas legislature passes abbots executive order.  That would be significant.  Lets see if other red states can follow.  Speaking of this – Looking for investor for some farmland in a deep red state.  PM me if interested.

  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 03:50pm

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    goldrunner1

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    So, what are we going to do about the problem?

Wow….quite the summary NordicJack

I agree mostly with what your saying, however albeit a small one I do think protests/rallies are useful in waking other people up. People sitting on the fence not sure what to do need to see others making some sort of effort to affect change.

The problem I see with lawsuits is that they take a lot of time to resolve (I am only speaking from a Canadian perspective and guessing similar tactics can be deployed elsewhere). It’s time we do not have. I just had some friends resolve a real estate purchase dispute and it took almost 7 years. The psychopaths know this and will most definitely be using delay tactics in the courts until it does not matter anymore.

I’m in the camp that sees all of this (their response to a mild pandemic/severe flu) as cover for a financial collapse as well as other forms of collapse forthcoming. I see large retail malls that use to have waiting lists for tenants 20 – 30% vacant. Once thriving business districts with boarded up store fronts. How long can this continue. Government spending is rising and tax revenues are crashing. Currently all of this seems irrelevant. And maybe so for the time being until all of a sudden it isn’t. Their big problem is how to remain unscathed and on top when this comes apart.

I believe one of their solutions is to cut costs by reducing life spans and euthanizing the elderly and frail. That’s where the vax fits in and the vax passport is the beginning of the control system they are going to need to stay on top. Just think how much more debt can be serviced with those savings. Possibly this will buy them some extra time to consolidate power.

Another question I find myself pondering is what are the limits of propaganda. How long can they continue this charade. There has to be a point where people will wake up in mass. Think the 100th monkey. Are we approaching this point. What black swan (for them) will bring us over the edge. I find some consolation thinking how quickly the Soviet empire fell apart when they appeared to have less dysfunction than we are seeing today.

I wish I had more concrete ideas on what to do but our reality is that even if they backed off on everything we are too far gone. Pretty much anything we do now is either going to speed up or slow down the inevitable crash and not by much.

  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 04:20pm

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    Bill in La Mesa

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    Never Forget… Never Let Them Forget

I’m on multiple forums, including some with progressive leanings.  Have made a hobby out of hammering home the “wrong turns” that have been made.  The smack-down of HCQ/IVM & any/all outpatient therapeutics, the lack of difference in outcome between the lock-down / masked states and free ones; the vaccine failures, Fauci’s Follies, etc.

I’m retired, and have hours of fun getting into detailed rebuttals of the narrative arguments.  Nothing feels better than when the frustration comes through, and their debate disintegrates into ad hominem attacks and child-like wailing.

I know I’m probably not changing anyone’s views, but am confident I sow seeds of doubt.  The fact that others see and take notice of the facts I present adds to the satisfaction.  Much of the narrative (vaccines aside) has been slowly coming around, and the wrong ones want to forget their mistakes of the past.  I feel it is vital that we do not allow this to happen.

  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 05:51pm

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    So, what are we going to do about the problem?

Hi Nordicjack,

Wow. I fully understand your feeling, and I agree with it. These are indeed crazy times, and all the certainties that we thought we had, are kind of down the drain. The irrationality of people and professions we were taught to respect. The blatant lies of our ruling “elites”. And the inaction of the “democracy and freedom protecting” professions like the journalists and the judicial system.

It indeed seems like very probable that our lives will change in a significant way. In a sense, this could be a “Great Time”, just like our parents and grandparents lived through, and their parents and grandparents.

I just had a nice diner with a close friend, and we discussed our different  ideas about the future of our society. We agreed on one thing however, when this whole shitshow has passed, we or our children need to rebuild our society, institutions, but most of all, our trust in humanity. The difference with other “Great Times”, this time the silent mass, plus the radical enforcers —70% of the population according to Mattias Desmet— will notice the effect of their inaction. So, please do not loose hope. We are the lucky ones: we have each other, Chris’s amazing work on resilience, and the gift of being able to look through, and distance ourselves from the massive amount of BS spewn all over us. It is my personal belief that we all have a role to play, it is as if we were all groomed for this episode in our own life. Some will need to play big roles, others will play small roles, but all in all, all roles are equally important. If you are a reader, I could advice you some great biographies, and books written by persons living through extreme times. If you rather like movies, there are some great movies that could inspire.

It is my strong belief that it will take a long time before all this will pass. Till then, we have to find ways to lift our moods, connect with friends and nature, and minimize our own suffering and the suffering of our loved ones.

Stay strong! Noone here is alone, we have actually never ever  been alone!

 

  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 06:04pm   (Reply to #6)

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    So, what are we going to do about the problem?

DaveDD,

You wrote:

It indeed seems like very probable that our lives will change in a significant way. In a sense, this could be a “Great Time”, just like our parents and grandparents lived through, and their parents and grandparents.

I have thought that as well. People who live through historic times, never want to “live through historic times.” But it happens. And it gives the persons so challenged by such events the opportunity to be great.

  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 07:32pm

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If they want to split society in half and people are dumb enough to fall for it, then my guess is that the USA will likely split up….in which case alot of opportunities might open up that we havent seen in over 100 years in this country. Might be a good thing in some ways.

I agree with this. I honestly don’t think we can stitch the USA back together at this point. The left is so far gone and so galvanized in their perceived virtuousness to the point of sheltering a rapist because he claims to be trans and then treating the father of the victim as a criminal – that is sick, sick, sick.

BUT there are SO MANY people – the silent majority – that really aren’t going to keep buying this.

I know lots of people who I already know are in the process of, or will be, waking up – because they don’t have an emotional stake in what’s going on the way the extremists do. They are just trying to be good citizens and haven’t taken the time to really question what they are being told – but at some point, I think they will, especially as the evidence keeps mounting as we know it will.

But – ultimately, I suspect the USA will split and in fact I had a dream/vision about 6 months ago where I was very clearly looking at a map of the post-split USA.

Eventually people will have had enough – and when they do, we will be there to reassure them that they aren’t crazy.

  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 07:33pm

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    So, what are we going to do about the problem?

I thank everyone here for the insightful views and advice.   I have really been depressed lately and rather demoralized at the speed the run-away train is going.   But, today , I am invigorated and optimistic again, that things will get better, albeit, things must get worse first.   I think we will be in for a hard run for the next several years, this might mean loss of our retirement years for many of us here.   We have to still keep focused for our children or grand children.   We are going to have to muster on wayward, try to survive what is thrown our way.  And out-last the opposition.  All that keeps coming to mind is “grow a garden”  maybe some chickens too. Get your finances streamlined.  And get back to a simpler life.   Become self-sufficient, take food, energy, and medical 100% into your own hands.

Thankfully due to the power granted to each of the states,  we are buffered some from the tyranny of a single government.  Some of the states are leading better than others

Bill,  thanks for pounding the pavement and doing what you can to seed the misinformed opposition with truth.   I wish I had tolerance and time to do this.   I think there will come a time where there will be an awakening and massive shift in belief.   So, the more you can seed, the sooner this day will come.

  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 07:39pm

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    Reply To: So, what are we going to do about the problem?

Actually – to properly answer the question, here’s what I plan to do at this point.

I plan to only bother discussing things with people who are open to hearing what I have to say, as well as being an example of a rational, intelligent, not screaming person who is simply questioning the narrative. I think a lot of the people that actually do us a disservice are the ones who are constantly posting about crazy, WAY out there stuff, or practically frothing at the mouth – it diminishes our effectiveness and causes people to not take us seriously.

So, I plan to continue to behave rationally and question both the common narrative but also what I’m told by people on “my side” so that questioners will still see me as a rational person, and potentially question why I, an educated intelligent entrepreneur, might feel the way I do… instead of dismissing me out of hand.

I also plan to continue to increase my own personal resilience so I can provide for my family through this as well as potentially help others after the dust settles. I’m a homesteader and I have a lot of skills… and if things get really bad, people may need someone to learn from. I will try to be a facilitator of that in whichever way I can.

Ultimately, I think TPTB will hang themselves on their own rope, to be honest. I will protest when I can, because the masses of numbers seem to help, but ultimately I think what we need to do collectively across the globe is to throw out our leaders and start afresh, preferably with a redo of the constitution that will ensure a sound money system and a way to reduce or eliminate corruption in politics (one can hope!).

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